pip wrote:The point everyone is missing is they are trying to fit into modern terms and categories characters from books and texts 2,500 to 3,000 years old.
gay , lesbian bisexual are more modern concepts and would be alien terms to the ancient Greek. Its a common mistake as the texts from greece have aged well. but they are the product of a different time and way of thinking.
They didn't define sexuality . They didn't feel the need to.
I am not trying to fit them into such concepts at all. I am an historian (well, at least I have a degree in historyy, even if I don't work in that field) and I specialized in ancient, so I am very well aware of what you are saying.
The ancient Greek, by the way, had a very rich sexual vocabulaty; the names for all kinds of "perversions" (mark the quote signs) are all Greek - algolagnia, dacryphilia, phoinikizein, podophilia, even nasophilia - just think of something, and they had a name for it.
"Phoinikizein" is a very interesting term, by the way. Literally it means "the way the Phoenicians do it" and thus appears to have been used as a derogatory term. My spouse Friede wrote a short story in which one of the characters refers to that sexual practice as "phony kissin' ", which I consider to be great wordplay.