swreader wrote:I think [Angua's] degenerated into a whiney, dog-like character
mspanners wrote:Vetinari must go, He is holding back the development of others and the city.
What has He done for the City since making extortion legal?
Prevented a war over a floating Island that would have sunk back down anyway if He had not stepped in......... thus the reason for the war would have gone away by its self........Now if He had allowed the Klatchians to have Lesp they would have sent forces to secure it. When it sank back into the Sea these forces would have been destroyed, weakening Klatch and giving the city a free win.
He is no tactician..... Carrot for King says I!
Vetinari didn't know the island would sink again. That's why he had Leonard take him underneath to find out.
Tonyblack wrote:What I like about Vetinari is the fact that he's so disconnected in some ways. He sees life as a sort of chess game and he's worked out all the possible moves in advance. It amuses him to then see that what he's predicted to himelf actually comes true.
But he's not perfect and now and again this attitude has put him into danger. One of his big surprises was discovering Vimes. He thought he knew exactly what Vimes would do in a given situation and then he found out he was wrong. To him Vimes was, he thought, a pawn, but he turned out to be a queen in chesspiece terms.
Vimes makes Vetinari's life more interesting and that's why he allows him a lot of leeway.
But Vetinari himself is one of Terry's great creations as far as characters go. Long may he rule!
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