Soul Music Discussion **Spoilers**

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Soul Music Discussion **Spoilers**

Postby Tonyblack » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:10 am

**Warning**

This thread is for discussing Soul Music in some depth. If you haven’t read the book then read on at your own risk – or, better still, go and read the book and join in the fun.

For those of us that are going to join in the discussion, here are a few guidelines:

Please feel free to make comparisons to other Discworld books, making sure you identify the book and the passage you are referring to. Others may not be as familiar with the book you are referencing, so think before you post.

Sometimes we’ll need to agree to disagree – only Terry knows for sure what he was thinking when he wrote the books and individuals members may have widely different interpretations – so try to keep the discussion friendly.

We may be discussing a book that you don’t much care for – don’t be put off joining in the discussion. If you didn’t care for the book, then that in itself is a good topic for discussion.

Please note: there is no time limit to this discussion. Please feel free to add to it at any time - especially if you've just read the book.

And finally:

Please endeavour to keep the discussion on topic. If necessary I will step in and steer it back to the original topic – so no digressions please!

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Soul Music by Terry Pratchett
Originally published 1994

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Death has gone missing (again) – He’s trying to “forget” and The Duty is being filled by Susan, his granddaughter, whether she likes it or not.

Meantime a young bard from Llamedos has come to Ankh-Morpork to seek his fortune as a musician. He dies, but the music keeps him alive despite the best efforts of the Musicians Guild, the Assassins Guild and even CMOT Dibber.
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I’m never too sure what to make of this one. I used to think it was the ‘music’ version of Moving Pictures – but it’s a much better book than that. Terry has great fun squeezing in musical references and I’m sure we’ll all have fun pointing them out during this discussion --- but the story is a good one as well. It goes some way to tie up some loose ends from Mort and even goes on to inspire some later books.

Best of all, we meet Susan for the first time.

But what did you all think?



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Postby poohcarrot » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:25 pm

Love it. One of my best 5 DW books. There's at least one funny gag on every page. :lol:
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Postby Tonyblack » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:34 pm

Let's talk about some of the gags. :D

This is a book that is bursting with references to music of various types. There are also some 'Welsh' jokes in there.

For example, Buddy comes from Llamedos. If you read that name backwards it's 'sod 'em all'. In the Welsh poet, Dylan Thomas' book, Under Milk Wood, the events take place in a village named 'Llareggrub' - which is 'bugger all' spelled backwards. :lol:

Imp y Celyn really can be translated as 'bud of the holly' (Buddy Holly)

And Sioni Bod Da (the song that Buddy sings with his harp at the festival) can be translated as 'Johnny be good' (Johnny B Goode by Chuck Berry).
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Postby poohcarrot » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:36 pm

Have you been reading L Space again, Tony? :lol:
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Postby Tonyblack » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:40 pm

Nope! :P

I knew all of those already - honest. :lol:
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Postby poohcarrot » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:43 pm

He's one song that L Space didn't include but should have.

"There's a guy works down the chip shop swears he's Elvis"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6K8R8KqpCE
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Postby Tonyblack » Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:07 pm

Terry spent the whole book setting that one up. I wonder how many people actually 'got' it? :lol:
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Postby Tiffany » Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:23 pm

I have the cartoon version DVD of Soul Music as well. If this is relevent, to the discussion, I'd like to know what others who have it think? I actually liked it.
I thought Susan was exactly as I had imagined her. The actual music was very imaginative too. You couldn't get that with the book. My only but, I didn't think it was that well drawn/painted, in places.
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Postby Jan Van Quirm » Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:27 pm

Haven't read SM for yonks so it's good that I had to reread and caught up with all the gags and some of the set pieces that get re-cycled - like Susan standing in her own little space in front of the stage with everyone oblivious to her being there (that was also in Good Omens was it? Or was it in an anthology somewhere or other?) :)

One thing that did strike me though - mainly because I've been working on web graphics for Discworld in the other place a lot lately :roll: are the differences in illustrating Death on The Bike - here's Paul Kidby's as we have Josh's up top already

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Now aesthetically it has to be Paul's that's the better rendition since he has the Dean's coat on for starters (best rune pune in the book! :lol: ) as well as the blue flames - but it lacks the sheer wildness of Josh's much bonier machine and really the best bit of all with the horse's skull... :twisted:

I don't know why I have this downer on Paul's work because he really is an excellent portraitist, but his backgrounds (when he bothers with them) are sterile as hell, so I guess that's why I think Josh's bike's 'better' and more 'Art with Rocks In' and his cover art in general as well. I suppose it's because Josh's covers drew me in from the start back in 1983 so it's a nostalgia thing and so on a gut level his work's more 'Discworld' to me than Paul's - all a matter of taste anyway! :lol:
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Postby Tonyblack » Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:35 pm

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Look familiar? :wink:
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Postby Jan Van Quirm » Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:37 pm

People were posting whilst I was writing :lol:

Elvish - yesh! :lol: Could see that one coming a mile or more off - gotta lurve Kirsty in those spray-on jeans though! A very dedicated rock chick! :shock:

I saw the cartoon Bike & Death whilst I was googling a decent sized pic of Paul's and I have to say it - it's absolutely pants! :lol: but as it has songs then maybe it doesn't matter so much. 8)

I can deconstruct Bat out of Hell (anatomically for a start unless the biker's a broken backed zombie :P ) but that just proves what I'm saying - Paul's stuff's great on detail but it's too preppy - it needs to be way dirtier! :twisted:

Josh's has got the 'tone' off pat :lol:
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Postby Tonyblack » Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:00 pm

Tiffany, there's a joke in the cartoon that's not in the book, but which I thought hysterical. The band go to Quirm and someone says that Quirm is famous for cheeses. Buddy makes the comment "We're more popular than cheeses!".

This is a reference to John Lennon's comment in an interview that the Beatles were "more popular than Jesus" - a comment that was NOT well received in America. :lol:

I wish that joke had made it into the book as I think it's great! :lol:
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Postby solemn_eyed » Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:29 pm

I do love Soul Music, since I am very much into rock music. Plus Susan is a great character.
One thing though: I read somewhere that "Pathway to Paradise" was allegedly "Stairway to Heaven", but I have to admit that I though more of "Highway to Hell", because of the alliteration I guess... What do you think?
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Postby Tonyblack » Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:36 pm

solemn_eyed wrote:I do love Soul Music, since I am very much into rock music. Plus Susan is a great character.
One thing though: I read somewhere that "Pathway to Paradise" was allegedly "Stairway to Heaven", but I have to admit that I though more of "Highway to Hell", because of the alliteration I guess... What do you think?
I've always thought it was a reference to Stairway to Heaven. I think the guitar solo in there has inspired a lot of people to take up the electric guitar - and end up playing the solo really, really badly. :lol:
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Postby solemn_eyed » Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:52 pm

Tonyblack wrote:I've always thought it was a reference to Stairway to Heaven. I think the guitar solo in there has inspired a lot of people to take up the electric guitar - and end up playing the solo really, really badly. :lol:


The same can be said about Highway to Hell, though, which also has a very recognisable riff. Maybe I should try and butcher Stairway on my acoustic one day. So far I've been only guilty of playing Highway to Hell badly on drums :D
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