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Postby michelanCello » Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:16 pm

Strenghth has got nothing to do with sex! :wink: Anyway, Jacob isn't even a proper werewolf... I bet on Angua. :wink:
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Postby Jane » Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:25 pm

Doesn't it? I read somewhere that boy lions were stronger than girls because they were meant to protect the pride and beat up other boys while the girls hunted.
Plus, Jacob is the pack's alpha male, which means that he has to be pretty strong and dominant.

I dunno...
They're both pretty civilized people.
I expect they'd have a little chat and then get on with life.
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Postby michelanCello » Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:35 pm

Oh please... of all animals you pick lions?? I mean, male lions just lay in the sun all day, while the femals are hunting... they don't get much exercise doing that, don't they? :lol:
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Postby Jane » Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:52 pm

Well, it was the first example I could think of.
The girls hunt, and the boys fight...I think it was from the cartoon "Pride of Baghdad".

I guess they exercise by hassling cubs and peeing on trees to keep other animals away...
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Postby Bouncy Castle » Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:55 pm

michelanCello wrote:I want one too!! :lol:


I've ordered one for my friend, Sharon.

Like me, she's Team Spike! :oops:
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Postby Courtjezter » Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:15 pm

Noooooooooo,

Team Angel FTW, its the ultimate doomed love story.

A vampyre (thanks Andrew) in love with the slayer of vampyres.
But they cannot be together because if he experiences that one true moment of happiness he will lose his soul and turn into evil Vampyre Angelus.
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Postby Jan Van Quirm » Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:52 pm

michelanCello wrote:Oh please... of all animals you pick lions?? I mean, male lions just lay in the sun all day, while the femals are hunting... they don't get much exercise doing that, don't they? :lol:

Ooooo - watch it! :twisted: We've got experts on this on the forum :lol: Male lions do hunt but they have other duties in which sexual dominance and territory figure highly. Lions are the only social big cat and in fact the single alpha male of the pride is not too accurate (even in Lion King Disney got that right because Mufasa and Scar were pride leaders together - although Musfasa was dominant he still tolerated Scar so they were both alpha males, dramatic plotlines not withstanding... :P ) and very often 2 or even 3 related males will club together and take over a pride and their first act will be to kill all the cubs by the last alpha to make the lioness come into season again. They don't want other lions kids.

Whilst the lionesses are resting or on the hunt the male(s) off patrolling the territory, scent marking and scratching and roaring occasionally to say 'this is mine not yours now bugger off'. Meal times whether or not he's brought down the meal he gets first dibs by right of protecting the females and his own cubs and none of the others get a look in until he's finished - cubs are allowed some leeway when very young, but they're soon cuffed into obediance. The full-grown male is massively bigger than the female, especially in forequarters and jaw which are around a third larger than the females. They specialise in hunting together and don't need the male for that - he can hunt for himself if he wants but otherwise he earns the right to be first in line because without him the lionesses would have to spend more time enforcing territory and their cubs would suffer in consequence. It's a social tradeoff that works well because a successful lion pack spends around 20 hours a day just resting and sleeping and getting a little sexual activity now and then... :shock:

Think about it. It's a bloody good deal for the females. :lol:
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Postby michelanCello » Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:00 pm

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I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, oh zoologist! :wink: I see now that lions are wonderful creatures - I wish I could be a lion... :P
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Postby Jan Van Quirm » Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:07 pm

Lions can't afford feelings - :lol: :wink:

Wolves are much the same only their social hierarchy's more complex as it centres more around the alpha female who is generally (but not always) the only female who will breed and so the whole pack are focussed on hunting and maintaining the terrirtory for her and her young. The male's wolf's strength is possibly even more important there, because he has to stay on top of all the other males so his genes are the ones that get perpetuated.

In humans, males tend to be physically stronger and taller etc than females because of these same dynamics, but being storytelling apes we've made it even more complex to the point where having muscles and being able to run fast are largely immaterial - but packs or herds are far more successful socially than singletons or even a single unsupported pairing (in an extended family/clan sense)... :P

From a post-feminist perspective Werewolves are looking more and more atttractive by the minute! 8)
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Postby Bouncy Castle » Fri Jun 25, 2010 6:11 pm

Buffy and Angel may have had the "lurve", but Buffy and Spike had sexual chemistry a-go-go! They nearly brought a house down!
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Postby chris.ph » Sat Jun 26, 2010 6:57 am

the alpha male in a wolf pack isnt neccasarily the biggest and strongest , they have soldiers who discipline the pack , the alpha is normally the most dominante not the toughest :) i love the old canis lupus
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Postby Thesilly Von Lipwig » Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:43 pm

ShadowNinjaCat wrote:I read your link....... :shock: ........


The Jacob bit? ITS INSANE! I know its dramatic and all but I prefer the conflict in the other books between Edward and Jacob.

The books on a whole? I just don't think they are that great anymore.
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Postby Quark » Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:33 pm

Even worse, if possible, than Twilight itself, is the slew of mushy me-too books that follow it around like the stench behind a sickly camel. On the rare occasion that I actually see one of my fellow students walking around with a book, I'm so utterly surprised that I go over to see and ... oh gods, it's another vampire romance.

What exactly makes Twilight appeal to so many people? It's a difficult question, especially when you've gone no further than small, forced extracts - a bit like a dentist's appointment, if you ask me - and wish to go no further.
What I can conclude is that the prose, while occasionally atmospheric, is usually clunky and stumbling, and although I can't comment much on characters when I haven't witnessed their development, I am confident in saying that they have the depth of a summer puddle. Honestly, you find better talent on Deviantart every week. And as for the cornerstone 'original idea' - that vampires are shiny soppy moon-powered creatures, as far as I can tell - it seems pretentious, to say the least, especially only a few short years after J.K. Rowling convinced everybody that wizards go to school, have bad dress sense and play sports on broomsticks.

So why, in the name of all that is reasonable, is it so popular? Well, let's face it, teenagers are not the most predictable or understandable market. Their language is nonsensical, their music is positively terrifying, their tastes and fashions can change five times a day and everything they say seems to be somehow connected to sex. (As an adolescent, I've witnessed this bizarre culture first hand) There could be any number of reasons why Twilight became popular; maybe it was the way it stood out on the shelves, all black and hulking, or maybe it had just the right balance of mushy romance to make various parts of the teenage brain go 'awww'. Heck, I don't know. And now the series seems to stretch to five or six books - each one understandably worse than the last. Why?

I still don't know. All I can hope for is that the world loses interest, slowly but surely.

And then... 21st century dragons. We will take the world by storm :twisted:
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Postby BatrickPatrick » Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:16 pm

Hopefully supernatural romance is going to take a dip and the non-sentimental people can have a chance instead >.>
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Postby mystmoon » Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:28 am

If it has a black cover with a pale girl doing a dramatic pose, possibly holding a flower or revealing a tattoo, I generally just leave it as a rule of thumb.
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