bogieman wrote:OOoooo I am enjoying this thread.
Can I just ask if you think global warming is a fact.......
Who is going to suffer for the change, are YOU willing to turn the electric and gas of.
Are you willing to die rather than take antibiotics
are you willing to use your excretions in the garden and eat only what you grow.
Do you catch rain water to drink rather than use the mains.
So pleased you are enjoying it
Yes, I believe global warming is a fact
Yes, I believe mankind has made a contribution to that warming - BUT a relatively minor contribution. Hence, turning off my gas/ electric will have minuscule influence
I still have to be convinced that the very small global warming seen so far is the cause of the apparent climate changes that have crept up on us over the last 100 years ie I am not yet convinced of a direct "warming to climate change" link OF THE MAGNITUDE suggested by the politicians and press.
I also believe that both global warming and climate change will reverse directions (eventually) with or without input from mankind ie I believe they are largely natural phenomena, probably caused by movements within the Earth's magna. That magna will have currents induced by the rotational movement of the Earth just as the oceans have such currents. The magna does contain zones of different matter densities (and composition) - one or more of which is probably a very large mass high in iron and which normally locates at what we call a "pole".
Who is going to suffer - the folk in Bangladesh, various islands etc will all suffer in the short term because sea levels are rising and will continue to do so. I honestly do not think we can do a lot to stop the sea rising (before it falls again is (say) another few 100 years. However, be reminded that most of the Netherlands has existed very well below sea level for a long time and with time/ effort and MONEY some of the other vulnerable places could be saved.
The comment about antibiotics is spurious. Although the current major antibiotic (penicillins I suppose) DID have some discovery elements involving mouldy bread many other drugs that we have now and which we will have in the future can be derived from plant species - many of which come from rain forest areas. Let is take a very old example - quinine, from the bark of a tree. Sure, it is now all synthetic but that was the original source. The forests must be saved because of their potential as a source of many, many future medicines. That has nothing directly to do with climate change/ global warming. Sure, trees do have influences on CO2 levels and they do control a lot of water (both via the water vapour they emit and via the movement of liquid water they control with roots and land drainage). LOCALLY these have big effects on LOCAL climate - and they will have effects over wider areas through changes in rainfall pattern, river silting etc. I still have to be convinced that more trees as a potential sump for CO2 is likely to influence global warming or weather
For many, many years I used animal excretions to promote plant growth, and at one time that was (composted) human excretions. I hasten to add that this material was obtained (free of charge) from the local sewage works AFTER it had been properly treated. However, I still pee on the compost heap ! I have lived for years in parts of the world where such recycling of human waste was and still is quite normal. Age has led me to abandon my allotment garden, but at one time I grew all my own vegetables. I commend this activity to one and all. It keeps you fit and the veges are good. However, what the heck has this to do with global warming and climate change???? Ok, OK, I can hear the answer that too much food is shipped around the world using oil to provide the motive power and the oil creates CO2 etc etc I agree that not all such food movement is necessary - but a LOT of it is.
No, I do not catch rainwater to drink. I do catch some to feed the garden plants and when necessary to change the water in the pond because the frogs do not like tap water unless it has been left to "air" for a day or so to lose the chlorine residues. I do not keep fish, only frogs & toads. I like frogs & toads and they repay me by controlling slugs and snails.
Again - what the heck does this have to do with global warming or climate?
If indeed I (and several million others) did decide to consume/ use only rainwater then the larger scale consequences may not be beneficial to warming/climate. I suspect the authorities controlling our feeder reservoir would let that go to ruin such that it would either overflow or dry up.
Lets keep this one rolling folks