Night Watch Discussion *spoilers*

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Re: Night Watch Discussion *spoilers*

Postby Dotsie » Tue May 14, 2013 8:43 pm

I hope cheery_j comes back :( She hasn't replied to my pm.
What's up with this glass? Excuse me? Excuse me? This is my glass? I don't think so. My glass was full! And it was a bigger glass!
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Re: Night Watch Discussion *spoilers*

Postby Who's Wee Dug » Tue May 14, 2013 8:52 pm

The Mad Collector wrote:Yes, one is OneManBucket (no spaces) and the other is One Man Bucket (spaces)

Just noticed that when I had just posted that Mad. :mrgreen:
He willnae tak' a drink! I think he's deid! , on the other hand though A Midgie in yir hand is worth twa up yir kilt.
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Re: Night Watch Discussion *spoilers*

Postby Tonyblack » Tue May 14, 2013 9:35 pm

Dotsie wrote:I hope cheery_j comes back :( She hasn't replied to my pm.

Is it still in your outbox? That would mean she hasn't seen it yet.
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Re: Night Watch Discussion *spoilers*

Postby Dotsie » Wed May 15, 2013 7:06 am

It is, but that doesn't mean she's coming back. Slightly better than being ignored tho.
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Re: Night Watch Discussion *spoilers*

Postby sleam » Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:24 pm

Hello,
what exactly means " Besides, I know she's been up in Small Gods these past ten years. " (around page 110)

in Czech translation it says young Sam's mom is dead and buried at the cemetery of Small Gods,
which doesn't make any sense why is he trying to get his older self home for visit, tee and food.

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Re: Night Watch Discussion *spoilers*

Postby Tonyblack » Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:11 pm

Welcome to the site, sleam! :)

You are talking about Nightwatch I assume? Older Sam is talking about his mother in his time having been dead for ten years and buried in Small Gods Cemetery. When he goes back in time, the younger version of his mother is still alive. He doesn't want to see her because he wants to remember her how she was and would probably find meeting her unsettling after having seen her dead.

Young Sam wanting older Sam to meet her has more to do with young Sam being naïve and not understanding that taking your sergeant home was not the sort of thing you would do.
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Re: Night Watch Discussion *spoilers*

Postby sleam » Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:53 pm

thanks,
now it makes sense
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Re: Night Watch Discussion *spoilers*

Postby Tonyblack » Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:13 pm

You're welcome. :) Feel free to ask any questions about things you don't understand.
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Re: Night Watch Discussion *spoilers*

Postby Slantaholic » Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:47 pm

I wonder how dead. He's a copper, and I'm not sure what state she would have to have died in in order for Sam Vimes not ever want to see his mum again alive, younger, healthier, and happy. *pets poor Sam*
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Re: Night Watch Discussion *spoilers*

Postby =Tamar » Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:53 pm

Slantaholic wrote:I wonder how dead. He's a copper, and I'm not sure what state she would have to have died in in order for Sam Vimes not ever want to see his mum again alive, younger, healthier, and happy. *pets poor Sam*

That's assuming that she was healthier and happy... younger Sam had just gotten the job and they were dirt poor. Also, he'd have had to resist trying to prevent her death, arranging for better lodging, more food money, etc., all things prohibited by the rules of the situation.
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Re: Night Watch Discussion *spoilers*

Postby Tonyblack » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:06 pm

And seeing her might make him overcome with emotions. How would he explain that?
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Re: Night Watch Discussion *spoilers*

Postby Slantaholic » Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:39 pm

I realised that he might be overcome with emotion.
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arranging for better lodging, more food money

He changed the entire strategy of the barricades! The revolution was larger, there were more free steaks and food - I'd bet wherever Ms Vimes was, she got the better end of it!
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Re: Night Watch Discussion *spoilers*

Postby Mixa » Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:55 pm

The first time I read “Night Watch” I liked it but couldn’t get many things because when published in Spanish I already didn’t remember a lot about the other Watch books, but now that I’m rereading the whole series I’ve love it for many reasons that you have already said.

At the beginning it’s like… What happens with Carrot, Detritus and all the guys? I wanted to read about them! But during the book I appreciated learning more about other characters past like for example Nobby. When knowing all the things his father did him… I couldn’t believe it. It caught my breath reading this:


“He heard the sound of sobbing from further along the barricade. It wasn’t young Sam, he knew, and Nobby Nobbs had probably cried all the tears a body was capable of some time ago.


It’s a miracle that after all Nobby has his little heart. :mrgreen:

I loved the nonstop surprising things that happen all the time: the time travel, how Vimes takes charge of the situation and helps the barricades, the promotions of Carcer, the end…

As you’ve said, NW is not one of the funniest novels, the criticisms to how the government and conspiracies work are hard, but I couldn’t stop smiling and laughing with parts like this:


“There was a tradition, once, far back in the past, called the King of the Bean. A special dish was severed to all the men of the clan on certain day of the year. It contained one small hard-baked bean, and whoever got the bean was, possibly after some dental attention, hailed as king. It was quite an inexpensive system, and it worked well, probably because the clever little bald men who actually ran things and paid some attention to possible candidates were experts at palming a bean into a right bowl.

And while crop ripened and the tribe thrived and the land was fertile, the king thrived, too. But when, in the fullness of time, crops failed and the ice came back and animals were inexplicably barren, the clever little bald men sharpened their long knives, which were mostly used to cutting mistletoe.

And on the due night, one of them went his cave and carefully baked one small bean.

Of course, that was before people were civilized. These days, no one had to eat beans.


Amazing, isn’t it? Could be more said in so less?

And The Beast… Wow, Pratchett perfectly reflects this animal part that all of us have inside when we get angry and hate.

When we break down, it all breaks down. You can bend it, and if you make it hot enough you can bend it in a circle, but you can’t break it. When you break it, it all breaks down until there’s nothing unbroken. […] There was the Beast, all around him. And that’s all it was. A beast. Useful, but still a beast. You could hold it on a chain, and make it dance, and juggle balls. It didn’t think. It was dumb. What you were, what you were, was not The Beast.


What else can I say? I’m anxious to reread “Thud!”.

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Re: Night Watch Discussion *spoilers*

Postby NineTenthsMadness » Thu Aug 28, 2014 3:33 pm

I apollogize in advance if this is common knowledge, but did you know there is a difference between US and UK versions in these books? There is a bit of text, I think it was in one of the speeches Sweeper gives to Vimes, that goes different in the two versions. I first noticed it a couple of years ago when a German site listing translation errors in Discworld books pointed this out. They were quite puzzled about it, and since I have the US version of Night Watch, I was able to check, and it is true. Does anybody have the full text from both versions? I'm affraid I don't have the British version of NW. =)
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Re: Night Watch Discussion *spoilers*

Postby =Tamar » Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:10 pm

NineTenthsMadness wrote: did you know there is a difference between US and UK versions in these books?
Not just Night Watch. There are significant differences between the US and UK versions of The Truth.

NineTenthsMadness wrote:There is a bit of text, I think it was in one of the speeches Sweeper gives to Vimes, that goes different in the two versions.[snip] Does anybody have the full text from both versions? I'm affraid I don't have the British version of NW. =)

The only differences I found in a quick look-through are fairly small, though not insignificant.

US h/c edition p.198 "...some kind of time shifters? I'd get locked up!"
UK h/c edition p.216 "...some kind of time shifters? I'd get locked up! Who are you, anyway?"

US h/c p.200 "Astonishing," said Qu. "I don't know how you manage it."
UK h/c p.219 "Astonishing," said Qu. "He's part of the pattern now. I don't know how you manage it."

Here, Vimes has just been given back his cigar case by the dancing monks:

US h/c p.214 "The world moved. Vimes still felt like a drifting ship. But at the end of the tether there was now the tug of the anchor, pulling the ship around so that it faced the current."
UK h/c p.233 "The world moved. But now Vimes no longer felt like a drifting ship. Now, he felt the tug of the anchor, pulling him round to face the rising tide."

The "rising tide" has more meaning in context, as it is during the barricade-building scene, and the rising tide of resistance is happening.
That sort of thing is the reason I have bought both editions for some years now. It's getting harder to get the UK hardcovers now, and the last few I checked were identical. I'm hoping that the US editors have realized how foolish it is to make those little "I'm proving I'm an editor" changes, but it's a faint hope.
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