Slantaholic wrote:" subliminal"
Because it's the first thing my '15yo' member mentioned.
As pip said, that's not subliminal. Subliminal is stuff you _don't_ notice.
It isn't even necessarily implied. I certainly didn't read it that way.
Slantaholic wrote: it sounded like: Mr Petty didn't like Amber's boyfriend, so he sent him back home, away from his pretty step-daughter, whom he raped and impregnated. Then he beat her, because she has always treated him like father and she behaved like a family member during that sex, not a pretty girl unrelated to him who was old enough (13) to have sh**ging lessons from him. He kept beating her because she wasn't appreciating the attention, and he couldn't give up because she was too pretty. The boyfriend couldn't rescue her being 13 and working elsewhere on dresses with his mum. Mr Seth Petty was guilty of domestic violence, beating and battering, and one day Amber had a miscarriage, which sometimes meant the father was unfit or so was the mother. It was linked to not complete infertility, but disease and 'curses'. The pub found out, knowing Petty was not the father.
I didn't read any incest in ISWM. "Nasty secrets" doesn't have to refer to that; it could refer to things like senile relatives being kept in the attic.
All I read was: 13-year-old Amber got pregnant by her 13-year-old boyfriend. That's very clear: Mr Petty's official objection was that Amber and 'that boy' were behaving scandalously. Petty, already drunk, beat her because he had apparently just found out she was pregnant. Meanwhile, Mrs Petty had run screaming and told the drunks at the pub, who decided that Mr Petty was going too far this time and decided to perform the traditional noisy announcement that they disapproved. (It's possible that they wouldn't have bothered to stop a "typical" beating, but that beating a pregnant girl was the tipping point. Petty seems to have been the last to suspect. If he had been responsible for it, he wouldn't have been the last to figure it out; he'd have been looking for the signs.)
Tiffany's father sent a lad to wake her up, and she got there first. The band of drunks would not have gone in the house to attack, but Tiffany knew that Petty would have gone outside and provoked an attack. She got him out of there to save the drunken villagers from becoming murderers. (Mr Aching was in the crowd, not expecting it to devolve into murderous violence but alert to the need to prevent it, so she was also saving him, though he had the sense to slip away and check the barn.)
While the drunks made noise around an empty house, Tiffany took care of the girl and talked to her father. After the drunks went away, Tiffany took Amber away. It's made clear that although Amber might not be Petty's daughter, she also might be, that in fact it was the uncertainty that was a continuing aggravation to him.
Later Petty sobered up enough to realize he had caused the death of the fetus, and may have caused the death of his daughter as well (though Tiffany had already taken her away, he didn't know that she was being taken care of); in a fit of drunken remorse, he attempted suicide. Tiffany saved him, as much for his attempt at an offering of flowers as for any other principle.
Slantaholic wrote:Yet some people can hear about domestic violence for a long time, seeing bruises, etc. and never react or tell authorities or heal/rescue the victim, etc.
Just as happened in the village in ISWM. They all knew about the bruises, but they didn't do anything.
Slantaholic wrote:A mob starts to 'kill' or punish Petty for injuring a pretty girl called Amber, who had a miscarriage after he beat her only. If he'd thrown her into a river or out of a window, most men would want to rescue her (like firefighters) and would start a group (like how unions form in clumps).
Are you describing the centuries-ago customs paralleled in ISWM or modern "real" "true-ish" men? The mob in ISWM did not originally intend to kill Petty. A few hotheads were talking big but the others would keep them under control as long as they didn't actually encounter him, according to Mr Aching. So they really only went to make a lot of noise and give him notice that he was disapproved of. Possibly he would have trouble getting help in future, or would have to pay cash at the pub. The group - "mob" - might have rescued her if they'd actually arrived in time to do anything for her, but even by the time Tiffany got there, Petty had finished the beating and gone to bed, leaving Amber unconscious in the barn.
Slantaholic wrote:They arrive and find Amber missing. Tiffany has her somewhere safe. Most men peel off, and think about marrying the pretty Amber later (even at 13), and looking after her from her vicious father.
Huh? They didn't pay any attention to Amber. They were yelling around the empty house while Tiffany and Amber were still in the barn. Only Mr Aching bothered to check the barn.
The only person who wanted to marry Amber was her boyfriend.
Slantaholic wrote:So ISWM is... odd about true-ish men behaviour.
We seem to have read different books.