Raising Steam

Moderators: Jason, Toothy, Tonyblack

Re: Raising Steam

Postby Jan Van Quirm » Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:23 pm

And the doors of the massive cathedral in Omnia - or was that some kind of hydraulics? I know that Terry's mentioned about steam power being far older than we tend to think, as the Egyptians and other Near East cultures had some idea of steam power in their temples and palaces... :?
"Some men see things as they are and ask why. Others dream things that never were and ask why not.” George Bernard Shaw
User avatar
Jan Van Quirm
Member
 
Posts: 10474
Joined: Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:07 pm
Location: Dunheved, Kernow

Re: Raising Steam

Postby =Tamar » Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:59 pm

Jan Van Quirm wrote:And the doors of the massive cathedral in Omnia - or was that some kind of hydraulics? I know that Terry's mentioned about steam power being far older than we tend to think, as the Egyptians and other Near East cultures had some idea of steam power in their temples and palaces... :?

You are correct, the Omnian cathedral doors were moved by hydraulics. Urn's steam engine was new.
There were some amazing engineers in our past, but in the West their work was mainly in special effects rather than civil engineering. (I must admit, though, there are some truly astonishing pre-Christian civil engineering waterworks being found in Spain and the Near East, among other places. Tunnel complexes, buried cities, deep wells - you'd think people had been digging to avoid bombardment by meteors as described in Schoch's book, Voices of the Rocks.)
=Tamar
Member
 
Posts: 600
Joined: Sun May 20, 2012 1:16 am

Re: Raising Steam

Postby =Tamar » Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:08 pm

It seems the release date for Raising Steam has changed from October 24 to November 7, 2013. I hope it's just that they are being extra careful with the proofreading. I wonder whether it is the difference between the UK and USA release dates.
Last edited by =Tamar on Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.
=Tamar
Member
 
Posts: 600
Joined: Sun May 20, 2012 1:16 am

Re: Raising Steam

Postby =Tamar » Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:12 pm

JAK wrote:Really good cover but to my mind not Discworldly - my main fear is that the image is too similar to something that took the Roundworld’s industrial revolution 100-150 years to evolve into

The early steam trains of the first half of the 19th century were small, but I believe the general shape was very much like the later, larger ones. The main quibble i have is the length, and if it is immediately used to transport goods, that's reasonable. (Note that the cover for Snuff had Vimes piloting the ox-powered paddlewheeler by himself, which does not fit the description in the book.)
=Tamar
Member
 
Posts: 600
Joined: Sun May 20, 2012 1:16 am

Re: Raising Steam

Postby raisindot » Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:40 pm

The cover of Raising Steam is almost a spitting image of that of Snuff, down to the color palette, the general angle of the composition (facing left viewed straight on) and the central image of someone driving some kind of motor-assisted vehicle.

I love Kidby's work, but one wonders whether he was forced to execute a design idea thrust upon him by the publisher and its marketing department. "Oh, we sold a million copies of Snuff with a cover of Vimes steering a boat through some kind of chaotic scene, so it's obvious that we need this same kind of image to hook new readers. So just recycle the same concept with a train in it instead."
raisindot
Member
 
Posts: 3168
Joined: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:28 pm
Location: Boston, MA USA

Re: Raising Steam

Postby =Tamar » Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:21 am

raisindot wrote:The cover of Raising Steam is almost a spitting image of that of Snuff, down to the color palette, the general angle of the composition (facing left viewed straight on) and the central image of someone driving some kind of motor-assisted vehicle.


Not to mention the goblin. On the other hand, if the representation online is correct, the lettering and the central area are more copper-coloured than gold-coloured. That's one point of difference, the complete difference of central vehicle is another, and both are scenes in the dark -one at night, the other underground.

raisindot wrote:I love Kidby's work, but one wonders whether he was forced to execute a design idea thrust upon him by the publisher and its marketing department.


Marketing departments and chief editors have whims of steel.
=Tamar
Member
 
Posts: 600
Joined: Sun May 20, 2012 1:16 am

Re: Raising Steam

Postby raisindot » Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:56 pm

=Tamar wrote:Marketing departments and chief editors have whims of steel.


SO true. If only, however, Transworld/HC's chief editor had a whim of steel in applying an editorial hand in curbing the excesses in Pterry's last few adult books.
raisindot
Member
 
Posts: 3168
Joined: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:28 pm
Location: Boston, MA USA

Re: Raising Steam

Postby =Tamar » Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:19 pm

About those cover pictures:
Maybe it's just this year's color scheme. Do the publishers also follow the cabal that chooses commercial clothing colors three years in advance (so the books will color-coordinate with the clothing of the buyer)?

Discussing current nominees for an award:
http://charlotteslibrary.blogspot.com/
"(Hmm... seems that blue and orangy/yellows are the cover color schemes most likely to win. They do all look very nice together....)"
=Tamar
Member
 
Posts: 600
Joined: Sun May 20, 2012 1:16 am

Re: Raising Steam

Postby DaveC » Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:15 am

From Paul Kidby via Facebook, compare and contrast before and after publisher meddling:

Image
Adventures of a Film Geek - My Blog

Check out my short film!

"Dude, this thing claims I have mail. Dude, now I'm reading it."
This Is...
User avatar
DaveC
Member
 
Posts: 3777
Joined: Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:35 am
Location: Portishead, UK

Re: Raising Steam

Postby pip » Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:29 am

Much prefer the first one minus the blurring and stuff
'There is no future for e-books, because they are not books. E-books smell like burned fuel.'
Ray Bradbury (RIP)
User avatar
pip
Member
 
Posts: 9376
Joined: Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:20 am
Location: KILDARE

Re: Raising Steam

Postby Jussi » Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:49 am

=Tamar wrote:I wonder whether it is the difference between the UK and USA release dates.

The USA publishing date is March 25, 2014:

http://edelweiss.abovethetreeline.com/P ... 038553826X
Jussi
New member
 
Posts: 5
Joined: Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:30 pm

Re: Raising Steam

Postby pip » Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:03 am

Ouch. Big difference. The Kindle release is November though.
'There is no future for e-books, because they are not books. E-books smell like burned fuel.'
Ray Bradbury (RIP)
User avatar
pip
Member
 
Posts: 9376
Joined: Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:20 am
Location: KILDARE

Re: Raising Steam

Postby Who's Wee Dug » Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:10 am

Prefer the original Kidby one by far.
He willnae tak' a drink! I think he's deid! , on the other hand though A Midgie in yir hand is worth twa up yir kilt.
User avatar
Who's Wee Dug
Member
 
Posts: 14519
Joined: Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:31 pm
Location: Stirlingshire, Scotland

Re: Raising Steam

Postby Ghost » Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:28 am

same here
User avatar
Ghost
Member
 
Posts: 3726
Joined: Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:34 pm
Location: Blackcountry

Re: Raising Steam

Postby Who's Wee Dug » Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:44 am

Buggerit train delayed. :roll: Just like B.Rail then. :(
LikeTerry Pratchett · 628,879 like this.7 August at 05:54 near London, England · ..** SERVICE UPDATE **

We regret to announce a delay in the expected arrival of the new service from Discworld. Fuel is being loaded, knobs are being polished and engines stoked.

RAISING STEAM will arrive into the Roundworld on the new date 7th November 2013. We apologise for any delays this may cause to your Discworld journey.
He willnae tak' a drink! I think he's deid! , on the other hand though A Midgie in yir hand is worth twa up yir kilt.
User avatar
Who's Wee Dug
Member
 
Posts: 14519
Joined: Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:31 pm
Location: Stirlingshire, Scotland

PreviousNext

Return to Discworld novels

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests