American cover on ebook version of Unseen Academicals :-(

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American cover on ebook version of Unseen Academicals :-(

Postby Crowl » Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:51 am

I bought the latest Discworld novel in ebook form and while the story itself is obviously brilliant, it was a shame to see that it came from the american publisher and thus had one of their shockingly inferior covers rather than the proper ones of the uk edition.

Here's hoping that Terry's uk publishers will have caught up to modern technology a bit better by the time his next book comes out.
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Postby Tina a.k.a.SusanSto.Helit » Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:08 pm

Egads, I am vaguely ashamed to be lumped in with the "Average American" public. ...Well, Almost, I don't understand why they cannot find a 1/2 way point. I really did not like Josh Kidby's covers, they were too sexist and made it hard to connect the characters pictured to the book. I am hoping they can at least make a compromise. *Hopes :D *
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Postby Tina a.k.a.SusanSto.Helit » Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:13 pm

It begins to make one feel like a cross between an Igor and the Elephant Man... *drags one foot and shouts, I am NOT AN IDIOT... A LOT OF US AREN'T IDIOTSSSSS!!!*

Mercedes Lackey and Jody Lyn Nye take care of the cover art them selves. It makes for pretty covers and interesting NON-Sexist for men OR wimmens eye candy. grrrrr.
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Postby Sjoerd3000 » Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:38 pm

Hi Crowl, welcome to the site :D
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Postby kakaze » Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:02 pm

Tina a.k.a.SusanSto.Helit wrote:I really did not like Josh Kidby's covers, they were too sexist


How were they sexist?
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Postby Tonyblack » Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:09 pm

Actually, I'm really not very keen on the Paul Kidby cover for UA. After reading the book I found that the new characters as depicted on the cover, really don't fit my image of them.

The US cover is ok - the hands in the air with the ball is not a problem considering the early version of the game as described in the story.

The important bit is the bit between the covers. :wink:

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Postby Tina a.k.a.SusanSto.Helit » Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:41 pm

kakaze wrote:
Tina a.k.a.SusanSto.Helit wrote:I really did not like Josh Kidby's covers, they were too sexist


How were they sexist?


As an example, The Light Fantastic, it was a very, very busy cover, Rincewind, looked Nothing like he should have looked, there was a female hottie wearing very little gauze, and Cohen looked like a Dwarf.

If you are gonna have a female hottie, at least give the wimmins some eye candy too.
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Postby kakaze » Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:49 am

Tina a.k.a.SusanSto.Helit wrote:
kakaze wrote:
Tina a.k.a.SusanSto.Helit wrote:I really did not like Josh Kidby's covers, they were too sexist


How were they sexist?


As an example, The Light Fantastic, it was a very, very busy cover, Rincewind, looked Nothing like he should have looked, there was a female hottie wearing very little gauze, and Cohen looked like a Dwarf.

If you are gonna have a female hottie, at least give the wimmins some eye candy too.


The sexy young woman on the cover was Bethan, a sexy young woman that Cohen rescued/kidnapped from the druids. The dwarf was Lackjaw, the dwarf who made Cohen's dentures. Cohen is the one-eyed, almost naked, man with the sword who's being towed by the luggage.

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However, I will admit that the depiction of what's-her-name on the American cover of Reaper Man is sexest, or at least agest.

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Postby Dotsie » Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:56 am

Tonyblack wrote:The US cover is ok - the hands in the air with the ball is not a problem considering the early version of the game as described in the story.


Except that in the early version of the game, the ball wasn't ball-shaped.

And I kept thinking that Vetinari was going to be the referee. What was that all about? :?
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Postby B.B.Shrooms » Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:06 am

Tonyblack wrote:Actually, I'm really not very keen on the Paul Kidby cover for UA. After reading the book I found that the new characters as depicted on the cover, really don't fit my image of them.


Gotta admit Mr. Nutt and Glenda don't exactly look the way I would expect them to either. However IMO that is a pretty much universal problem: Almost every reader of a book will have a different picture of the characters and when they are visualized they will always be a disappointment to some.

For instance the way Kidby draws Vimes and Vetinari never really matched my idea of what the two should look like. On the other hand he absolutely nailed my idea of Rincewind and Nanny Ogg. Overall I still much prefer his style over that Josh Kirby used for the earlier covers.
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Postby Catch-up » Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:49 pm

Tina a.k.a.SusanSto.Helit wrote:Egads, I am vaguely ashamed to be lumped in with the "Average American" public. ...Well, Almost, I don't understand why they cannot find a 1/2 way point. I really did not like Josh Kidby's covers, they were too sexist and made it hard to connect the characters pictured to the book. I am hoping they can at least make a compromise. *Hopes :D *


Then Tina please stop apologizing for it! :wink: I mean really, is book cover art the responsibility of an entire nation? :lol:

I agree with Tony. The important part is in-between. :wink:

I'm very proud to be "lumped in" with the American public. :wink: The horrible stuff is not my fault (paticularly a certain 8 years). I exercize my rights to change what I can, I'm a polite tourist, I believe I'm reasonably intelligent and well travelled and all of the above applies to most other Americans I know. And I did not draw the U.S. cover art for UA. :lol:

Sorry, off my soap box now. I just find the idea that we have to apologize for everything American particularly tiresome. Last I checked, we hadn't cornered the market on idiocy - or bad cover art.

Although apologies are definitely due to you B.B. Shrooms for hijacking your thread! Sorry! :oops: :lol:
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Postby Tonyblack » Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:45 pm

B.B.Shrooms wrote:
Tonyblack wrote:Actually, I'm really not very keen on the Paul Kidby cover for UA. After reading the book I found that the new characters as depicted on the cover, really don't fit my image of them.


Gotta admit Mr. Nutt and Glenda don't exactly look the way I would expect them to either. However IMO that is a pretty much universal problem: Almost every reader of a book will have a different picture of the characters and when they are visualized they will always be a disappointment to some.

For instance the way Kidby draws Vimes and Vetinari never really matched my idea of what the two should look like. On the other hand he absolutely nailed my idea of Rincewind and Nanny Ogg. Overall I still much prefer his style over that Josh Kirby used for the earlier covers.
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Actually the ball on the UK cover is also wrong. Trev is wearing (for some reason) a wizards' hat and I'm not sure what the Luggage is doing there. :wink:
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Postby chris.ph » Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:32 pm

never judge a book by its cover :D
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Postby B.B.Shrooms » Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:51 pm

Tonyblack wrote:Welcome to the site, B.B.Shrooms! :D

Actually the ball on the UK cover is also wrong. Trev is wearing (for some reason) a wizards' hat and I'm not sure what the Luggage is doing there. :wink:


Thanks for the welcome.

You are obviously right about the cover, but I think it can be explained as simply being one of these team pictures that are taken right before the game and since the traditional attire for UU wizards includes the pointy hat Trev is wearing a hat too.

As for the luggage If you go back to the book, the wizards did experiment with having her play soccer. However the result was pretty bad....

Regardless, I like the British cover A LOT better than the US version. But of course tastes differ.
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Postby Catch-up » Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:36 pm

I often prefer the UK ones as well, the Paul Kidby ones. I've never been too crazy about the Josh Kirby ones. Actually, I haven't seen the UK cover for UA yet. Can someone put up a pic?

And Welcome B.B. Shrooms! :D Sorry I forgot to add that to the last post.
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