cabbagehead wrote:Carrot is at his deepest in Feet of Clay, with his interactions with Dorfl and towards the end of The Fifth Elephant, when he makes his promise to Angua. The problem with Carrot's development is that there are places where it is hard to know how much he understands why his tactics work - for example when he plays the gambit in the Fool's Guild - did he realize the fools would think they were being threatened?
On the other board I once raised my little theory that Carrot, Vimes and Vetinari are in a way an urban male equivalent to the maiden, mother, crone trio. Carrot always retains a bit of the simple idealist, Vimes who takes care of the widows and orphans of watchmen and who is good at teaching watchmen how to walk was a father figure well before his son was born and Vetinari - well, you know.
DreadfulKata wrote:Carrots probably at his best in M@A and FofC. If he'd continued to develop along the lines we saw there, though, there'd be no room left for Vimes to operate. Carrot has to stay somewhat simple and innocent to be Vimes' foil.
raptornx01 wrote:There was a time when I honestly though Pterry actually used to be a cop at one point.
DreadfulKata wrote:The one thing about him that's tended to bore/annoy me on occasion is his relationship with Angua. I've always found fault with the writing of her character rather than his in this department, though. Carot is undoubtedly frustrating as a partner: caring but only in a general way (he isn't even observant enough to realise she wouldn't need a moon phases device; he assumes she's interested in the Dwarf Bread Museum). But Angua can't leave him (because once relationships are entered into in the Discworld they tend to last) so what we get from her is a lot of angst about how she should leave him but can't. Even before they'd got together in M@A she was on this track. Three or four books of it gets wearing, especially when it's a character you'd much rather be hearing about other aspects of.
And here's a thought: Vetinari says (in FofC?) that he rather thinks he created Vimes.Don't you think Carrot could also have been said to have 'created' Vimes? Carrot needs someone to be cynical and hard bitten and so on, in order for Carrot to go on being noble and innocent. This might begin when he manouvers Vimes into Commander/Knighthood at the end of M@A.
Jace wrote:I have a question. Well, two to be precise.
One: Is Men at Arms an anti-gun book? I'm asking because I happen to believe in the Second Amendment and, what's even odder, is Night Watch seems to be very pro-weapon/gun. I'm trying to decide between reading Men at Arms and Jingo.
Thanks in advance!
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