NEW STAR TREK MOVIE

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Re: NEW STAR TREK MOVIE

Postby MongoGutman » Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:09 pm

Star Trek was pretty much dead in the water, after Enterprise failed and those last two TNG movies. I'm a big fan of TOS, Shatner, Nimoy et al but I've got no problem with the re-vamp. Kirk is different, but then he would be wouldn't he; different upbringing, no father. I'm interested to see how they develop the series.
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Re: NEW STAR TREK MOVIE

Postby Dotsie » Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:46 pm

I loved the original series (my favourite of all of them), and I loved the reboot. As far as I'm concerned, the backstory still stands anyway - since neither timeline has actually happened yet, there's no right or wrong. Maybe the major events will all find their way in there somehow, even if we don't get to witness them (there's always room for tribbles).

I love Chris Pine as much as Shatner, because they're both Captain Kirk, who I luurrrve :D
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Re: NEW STAR TREK MOVIE

Postby Dotsie » Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:05 pm

Watched the trailer on the star trek site (couldn't watch this one for some reason :( ), and would say definitely Khan. He's returning to Earth to exact his revenge, and I can't think of any other character that would fit.
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Re: NEW STAR TREK MOVIE

Postby Who's Wee Dug » Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:15 pm

Never thought though of him, I thought he died but I can't quite remember as it had been quite some time since I last watched it.
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Re: NEW STAR TREK MOVIE

Postby CrysaniaMajere » Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:41 am

I think it might be Khan as well, since the whole story of the genetic engineered humans was talked about in Enterprise also, and that still stands as we saw it, since it was before the film.
Can't think of anyone else who would want vengeance. And Khan was quite some character...
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Re: NEW STAR TREK MOVIE

Postby CrysaniaMajere » Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:48 am

I totally understand what Tony says, usually this kind of things bother me as well, but in this case I think it was the only way to make star trek alive again, and make a whole new lot of younger people like it, so I'm at least happy that star trek lives again... :D I has started to think (after the last movie which I'm trying to forget) that we had seen the last of it...

but I don't see the new Kirk so different from the old one. He grew up without his father, but came out pretty much with the same attitude, and the old Kirk-Shatner cheated at his last exam as well ;)
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Re: NEW STAR TREK MOVIE

Postby raptornx01 » Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:43 am

The way I see it, anything that happened before Kirk was born is the same, everything after is different. but its still a different timeline and doesn't effect the reality we know. I actually like the fact they "rebooted" the way they did. it was a way of rebooting WITHOUT ignoring what has already happened (like what happens with so many other reboots). To me, that shows respect for what was done. and for the fans.

Would I prefer stories set after voyager in the canon universe? ofcourse, but I respect the work done here. and quite enjoyed the movie.

as for Abrams himself. I loved Lost, Cloverfield and Alias so i have nothing against him.
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Re: NEW STAR TREK MOVIE

Postby Jack Remillard » Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:17 am

They've even got the original Spock, who personally remembers the original time line!

The Japanese version of the trailer is slightly longer (with a bit of extra footage). Something looks familiar...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrHlQUXFzfw
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Re: NEW STAR TREK MOVIE

Postby Dotsie » Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:02 pm

Who's Wee Dug wrote:Never thought though of him, I thought he died but I can't quite remember as it had been quite some time since I last watched it.

He first appeared in the original series episode "Space Seed", where the Enterprise found their craft (Botany Bay) adrift, with humans in stasis in it. They woke them up, Khan caused all kinds of problems what with being genetically engineered and superhuman, and no longer welcome on Earth for having started a war. Kirk leaves him on Ceti Apha 5 to start a new life, with a woman from the Enterprise and all his mates. I should think that this new timeline is after the Botany Bay leaves Earth, but before the Enterprise revives the crew. So, not having the love of a good woman has probably left him a bit crazy.
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Re: NEW STAR TREK MOVIE

Postby Catch-up » Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:53 pm

I have to say that I loved the casting in the last film. I thought everyone was a great fit! While this Kirk is different, I think overall he captures the spirit of the character.
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Re: NEW STAR TREK MOVIE

Postby Jack Remillard » Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:26 pm

I know my Mum loved the last film. She said that she felt like it had brought new life the characters she'd loved watching as a teenager, and that it didn't feel like an 'old thing' any more (or something along those lines). :)
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Re: NEW STAR TREK MOVIE

Postby spideyGirl » Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:56 pm

Dotsie wrote:I loved the original series (my favourite of all of them), and I loved the reboot. As far as I'm concerned, the backstory still stands anyway - since neither timeline has actually happened yet, there's no right or wrong. Maybe the major events will all find their way in there somehow, even if we don't get to witness them (there's always room for tribbles).

I love Chris Pine as much as Shatner, because they're both Captain Kirk, who I luurrrve :D


I'm with you Dotsie! :D
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Re: NEW STAR TREK MOVIE

Postby raisindot » Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:00 pm

I happened to like the Abrams reboot a lot, in spite of the plot holes you could drive a spaceship through. But, for once could they (or anyone else) make a SF space opera movie where the adversary wasn't just one crazy power-mad villain? It would be so much more interested if there were a bunch of villains, and they were characterized less by maniacal laughter than by pure banality. That's what Pterry achieved with the Auditors--villains that were truly scary because all of their destructive actions were designed to destroy chaos in order to create order--reverse entropy--than the other way around.
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Re: NEW STAR TREK MOVIE

Postby Quatermass » Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:06 pm

Not that I have seen the film, but I wouldn't characterise Nero from the first film of the reboot as 'power mad'. He was a revenge-obsessed lunatic.

And many power-mad villains are obsessed with control and order. The main differences between them and the Auditors is that the Auditors have no ego or real personality (until Thief of Time, anyway), and they are unable to be direct most of the time. It's very hard to create a banal villain who is nonetheless interesting, raisindot, as banality by its very definition is bland and boring. And for all we know, Benedict Cumberbatch's character has moments of subtlety that aren't in the trailer. Trailers are designed to get people into the cinemas, and sex and violence and spectacle and adventure is usually the best way.

Hmm...maybe I should make a list of banal but effective villains in another thread...

Anyway, I'm gonna start up the poll about Cumberbatch's character in another thread. Feel free to contribute. I'm going to be putting four options: Khan, Gary Mitchell, Charlie Evans, and Other. Impress me with your Star Trek: The Original Series knowledge. Impress me, TOS fans. Or TOSers. :lol:
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Re: NEW STAR TREK MOVIE

Postby Jack Remillard » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:28 pm

So... The
Spoiler: show
'hand on hand from the glass'
in the Japanese trailer. Could we be in for a repeat of the situation in
Spoiler: show
The Wrath Of Khan
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