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The "Polite" Political Venting Thread

Postby raisindot » Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:01 pm

I know, I know, politics is one of three subjects you shouldn't discuss in public--the other two being Kardashians and what the Royals look like naked--but for those who do want to discuss politics here's a place. I'm not a moderator, but if I were I'd just say that all views are legitimate, but crazy, paranoid tin-foil baiting of those you don't agree with won't sit well here, so politeness is a good thing.

Anyway, I was going to post this in the Frustration thread, but I thought this was a better place. I'm frustrated because as a dedicated and fanatical supporter of President Obama, I felt sick at how Mitt Romney totally cleaned his clock in last night's presidential debate. Everything Romney said I find totally odious, and yet he articulated his positions well, was constantly on the attack, and made his points very well, while Obama seemed to simply stand there and take it. Case in point: most of it was done in a split screen view. Whether Romney was speaking or not speaking, he always looked at Obama, creating the impression that was paying attention and respecting his opponent. Whenever Obama was listening, he'd look down. It looked like he was a beta bog being submissive to a pack leader. And when he did speak, he seemed uncertain, distant, and often inarticulate.

It kills me, because Romney said so many things that Obama could have torn him apart on simply by referring to Romney long history of stupid statements. But he didn't. By trying to act conservative, he lost the battle and made Romney look much better in the process. I sure as hell hope that he gets better debate coaches and spends a lot more time boning on his facts (which he often finds hard to remember), or he has a good chance of blowing this thing for good.
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Re: The "Polite" Political Venting Thread

Postby Bouncy Castle » Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:09 pm

Here's the Twitter remarks of Wil "Wesley Crusher" Wheaton.

https://twitter.com/wilw


And a few others:

Joy Behar ‏@JoyVBehar

Obama blew it. I hate to say it but Romney was lying and Obama didn't hit him on it.


Tod Goldberg ‏@todgoldberg

Obama seemed tired. Romney seemed like a Cylon. Lehrer seemed like he needed someone to change is adult diaper and get him some toast.


walter kirn ‏@walterkirn

Obama doing a greatest hits reel of legendary debate mistakes. Furtive as Nixon. Detached as Dukakis. Peevish as Mondale. Grumpy as McCain.


Bill Maher ‏@billmaher

my rating: Romney won the debate, Obama had the facts on his side, and Lehrer sucked. Next debate, get @SethMacFarlane to host!



I don't begin to understand US politics (in fact, I detest politics in general), but it seems clear, even to my tiny mind, that Da Prez did not put up a good showing last night and that the moderator was worse than useless.
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Re: The "Polite" Political Venting Thread

Postby Tonyblack » Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:12 pm

I didn't see the debate myself, but I know that Sharlene was similarly frustrated with Obama's performance. :?

Maybe he was taking a few on the chin so he can go on the attack more effectively in the next debate.

We can but hope.
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Re: The "Polite" Political Venting Thread

Postby Penfold » Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:48 pm

There is an expression "Give someone enough rope........", maybe Obama is doing just that (hopefully). :?
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Re: The "Polite" Political Venting Thread

Postby Dotsie » Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:59 pm

It would be nice to think that he's got some sort of plan, but if it has, it's a risky one. More likely that he's just pants at debating. Shame.
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Re: The "Polite" Political Venting Thread

Postby Who's Wee Dug » Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:18 pm

Maybe he waiting for backup from the TERMINATOR,Arnie
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Re: The "Polite" Political Venting Thread

Postby raisindot » Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:19 pm

Dotsie wrote:It would be nice to think that he's got some sort of plan, but if it has, it's a risky one. More likely that he's just pants at debating. Shame.


Actually, he can be a great debater. In 2008 against McCain (admittedly, a very easy target) he was marvelous.

I think he just didn't prepare enough, didn't have good strategy people to coach him, and wasn't prepared to take off the gloves. This isn't a venue for being 'nice'; it's a cage war, and the aggressive generally win.
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Re: The "Polite" Political Venting Thread

Postby Catch-up » Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:46 pm

I don't have regular TV so couldn't watch last night. My plan was to find it online to watch after the fact. But, after hearing how it went I can't bear to watch it. Like Tony, I'm hoping this is playing into some bigger strategy, because certainly he has proven himself to be very effective in a debate. But, if this is a strategy it's a risky one. This country simply cannot afford to have someone like Mitt Romney at the controls. I never thought I would find anyone more reprehensible than Sarah Palin, but Romney has won the prize.
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Re: The "Polite" Political Venting Thread

Postby raisindot » Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:58 pm

Catch-up wrote:I never thought I would find anyone more reprehensible than Sarah Palin, but Romney has won the prize.


You've only had a couple years to hate him.

I had to deal with that slimey b****rd as my governor for four years. And, contrary to everything he takes credit for, his health care plan (which is the only thing he did right) is the only piece of legislation he got passed in Massachusetts. All that talk about working with the legislation never happened. He didn't cooperate. He didn't lead. The budget cutting that did occur was done by the Legislature, and he just signed what they did. He was the most unengaged governor Massachusetts had in the past 50 years. You know this was just a temporary stop on his climb up the greasy pole.
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Re: The "Polite" Political Venting Thread

Postby Del » Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:23 pm

Oh and Mitt just got the support of the gun toting brigade huh? Yay! :roll:

Obama is usually a more vocal eloquent and effective speaker than Mitt can ever hope to be in a grade school debate on "Why running with scissors is a bad thing"

I think he was having a very bad day. Shame it should be the day it was broadcast to millions.

Is the American public so fickle that one off day determines what has happened for the past four years and what will happen in the next?

...says she who is now under the control of a vile egotistical developer setting himself up for life and ripping the heart out of my wonderful state at the expense of every Queenlander to take breath in the next 50 years.
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Re: The "Polite" Political Venting Thread

Postby Quatermass » Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:04 am

Del wrote:Oh and Mitt just got the support of the gun toting brigade huh? Yay! :roll:

Obama is usually a more vocal eloquent and effective speaker than Mitt can ever hope to be in a grade school debate on "Why running with scissors is a bad thing"

I think he was having a very bad day. Shame it should be the day it was broadcast to millions.

Is the American public so fickle that one off day determines what has happened for the past four years and what will happen in the next?

...says she who is now under the control of a vile egotistical developer setting himself up for life and ripping the heart out of my wonderful state at the expense of every Queenlander to take breath in the next 50 years.


You're talking about Campbell Newman, right? I didn't know he was a developer.

I have to live under Tom Tate as mayor, who basically ticks all those boxes. AND he's a developer. Goodbye environment of the Spit, hello polluting cruise terminal and glitzy hedonistic casino. :sad-suicidepills:

See, the voting public (of any democratic society, really) are apparently a bunch of people who, to put it politely, need help dressing themselves because they'll otherwise put their pants on their head. They don't give a crap who's in charge as long as their lives don't change, and probably vote more on candidate hairstyle than anything else. Politics is less about public service and more about pandering to base desires, it seems. Although if that was the case, then the Australian Sex Party would be in power already... :think:

Voting, for me, is really about choosing the lesser of two evils. But even then, it feels like my vote doesn't matter, and it's compulsory to vote in Australia. Normally, that would be a good thing, except that it means every insane, inbred, intellectually-challenged ingrate gets to vote.

In short, that is why democracy sucks, and why we should have a totalitarian dictatorship. Ruled by yours truly. :P
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Re: The "Polite" Political Venting Thread

Postby Sister Jennifer » Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:40 am

When that day comes just remember I always laughed at your jokes & tried to guess your (very hard) movie quizz thing. Oh, and thoughtfully read anything you said about Dr Who.

American politics confuses me. The Amercian gun lobby frightens me.

I'm a very lucky white Australian but Queensland politicians give me the sh*ts. Our premier, Cambell Newman, has the cold dead eyes of a sociopath. Del will agree.
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Re: The "Polite" Political Venting Thread

Postby Quatermass » Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:15 am

Sister Jennifer wrote:American politics confuses me. The Amercian gun lobby frightens me.


American politics are more conservative than Aussie or UK politics. Their Democrats are probably closer to our hilariously misnamed Liberal party, from what I've heard. And it's even more about image than issues over there than anywhere else. You may now be afraid. That is a rational reaction.

And you should be frightened of the American gun lobby. Is there really an urgent need for a right to bear arms all the time? At least the best of the NRA advocates gun safety and responsibility, but too many of those who support the NRA think that responsibility is a thing for people without guns. A gun is a tool with singular purpose.

Sister Jennifer wrote:I'm a very lucky white Australian but Queensland politicians give me the sh*ts. Our premier, Cambell Newman, has the cold dead eyes of a sociopath. Del will agree.


I certainly agree. Not sure whether he is a sociopath, but he certainly doesn't give a flying f**k about what he does to those he slashed the jobs of.

Of course, politicians of all stripes and from all countries give me the sh**s. Ironic, considering how full of sh** many of them are.
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Re: The "Polite" Political Venting Thread

Postby swreader » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:11 pm

My sympathies Jeff-- but for the benefit of others, here's a small part of what the NYTimes said about his time as governor.
" But in contrast to his statements in the debate, many say, Mr. Romney neither mastered the art of reaching across the aisle nor achieved unusual success as governor. To the contrary, they say, his relations with Democrats could be acrimonious, and his ability to get big things done could be just as shackled as is President Obama’s ability to push his agenda through a hostile House of Representatives"

If you want to see what a mess of lies he spouted about his time as governor, you can read the full articlehere.

There used to be some intelligent, responsible Republicans--but they look like flaming liberals in contrast to the "tea party" folks who (and they're the gun people also) seem to think that we're in imminent danger of another British invasion. They're the ones who are absolutely convinced that the new jobs indicated by the significant drop in the unemployment rate the day after the debate was an "Obama conspiracy". (These folks probably think NASA staged the moon landings too.) Romney is talking as if the report had never come out--but at least he hasn't YET said it was false. Could it be that he has a guilty conscience about his statements in the debate? :naughty:

All I can say is Susanne, I agree--it must have been an off night (or he spent all his energy on celebrating his 20th wedding anniversary before he got to the debate). The next one should be attended by the Obama who mopped the floor with McCain.
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Re: The "Polite" Political Venting Thread

Postby spideyGirl » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:41 pm

I saw some of it and it didn't look great for Obama but hopefully sense will prevail :eusa-pray:
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