Jan Van Quirm wrote::lol: You are soooooooooo literal!
It's nothing to do with feminism at all! - you said...Everything she does for Moist, from pressing his pants to bringing his newspaper to getting him his breakfast are the actions of a lovestruck person.
Those are the actions of a female who's got over being lovestruck quite some time ago (Lovestruck is 2nd stage attraction - well 3rd perhaps after WOW and scraping your chin off the floor and then hanging around waiting for him to notice you - some kind of verbal interaction has to have taken place anyway ) and has gone onto the consolidation stages in showing the prospective long-term mate she's a keeper on the domestic front - like a mum...
I won't expect you to understand all that given your comments about dry cleaning etc *pats your head very hard*, but ask your wife and she'll explain better than I can perhaps A golem would certainly understand the trouser-pressing, newspaper smoothing etc because that's practical - it has nothing whatsoever to do with being in love or fancying you are, even if you're capable of having those emotions
Like males, the last thing on a female's mind whilst they're falling for a love object is putting slippers by the fire and keeping the glassware shiny - plumping cushions perhaps, but only in the bedroom and they're about to or have just squashed them up a lot and plumped away on them without the 'L' In present day Britain (and the US I daresay) doing the domestic chores is strictly something that couldn't happen until a couple are at least 'going steady' but in the equivalent time-frame (vaguely victorian/dickension) domestic bliss was something that didn't come into the courting equation in any way until after the wedding (or at least co-habitation as even then a piece of paper wasn't always needed). Then, yes - being a domestic godess was a proper expression of love or if they were rich enough the ordering the servants to do it.
Trust me, on this basis whatever romantic mush Gladys was reading away from the PO ladies domain, she would have been reading about post-marital, maternal or servant duties. Professional pride was wounded at the most (aside from the comedy aspect naturally) - golems aren't that naive and if she was, well what you don't know you don't miss. She'll have got over it quickly enough
LilMaibe wrote:Hello and welcome to the site.
Depends on who you ask the answer to that question will either be 'yes' 'no' or something along the lines of 'RRRAARRGHFUIVh HOW Dare U critzice Sir Terry!??! Hes the bestest outhur EV4R!!!1!11!vufguuvkuefvc! '
My answer would be:
No, you did not miss anything. The ending to MM did feel rushed and forced, recycling ideas from Feet of Clay, Interesting Times and Going Postal to a degree and not caring much about the previous charactertraits that made Moist a very neat addition to the cast originally.
rockershovel wrote:I didn't enjoy MM as much as GP, mainly because they were too similar.
As for the ring, I'd always pictured Vetinari having one, because it would be entirely in character for someone like him to have one and use it regularly.
ChristianBecker wrote:Isn't it Vetinari's sealing ring?
Edit: Does it somewhere in the book actually say that the real Vetinari indeed wears that ring.
It could also be a rumour that he has such a device and people like Cosmo would be likely to fall for it.
francis wrote:Hi folks,
Wayyyyy late to the party I know, but I've only just read MM and the court of inquiry scene really threw me for a loop. Basically Moist, who spent the entirety of GP coming to terms with the damage his criminal past has caused - not least to Adora, who lost her job, her inheritance and her father to his defrauding and the resulting run on the banks. Not surprisingly, she thought he was utter scum until he managed to convince her he'd changed his ways.
Yet in MM he cheerfully brushes off those crimes as no big deal - I don't have the text in front of me, but something along the lines of it being the banks' own fault for not catching on. This in a room where we're told Adora is sitting right in the front row - Adora, a woman who attacked bloody Detritus the day before in a fit of pique - and yet there's no apparent fallout at all!
I'm the last person to jump on the Moist-bashing bandwagon and I really like the turn Terry's taken towards nuanced characterisation and commentary, but that one felt like a real clanger... or did I miss something here?
Tonyblack wrote:Welcome to the site, francis!
And always good to see you barrie! What metal did you use for the black rings?
raptornx01 wrote:Adora lost her job because of moist, but it was Guilt that did everything else. and he didn't place blame on the bank for what he did. actually he didn't talk about them really at all in the trial. what you are thinking of is him basically saying the people he defrauded were trying to defraud him. that was in reference to all the smaller cons he's done, not the bank. there was nothing there for her to get upset about.
And him just blurting it all out, yes a bit casually, was because of Cosmo and Moist's former partner who were trying to use Moist's past as leverage against him. He needed to regain control of the situation. Coming clean the way he did was the only way to rebalance things in his favor. He was taking a risk Vetinari would throw him under the carriage, but he didn't have many options.
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