Sherlock (series 2)

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Sherlock (series 2)

Postby Phoenix » Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:07 pm

Did anyone watch the first episode tonight? Enjoy it/hate it? Looking forward to the next two?

I really enjoyed it, giggled out loud a few times, went "d'awwww" after the incident with Mrs Hudson and the CIA guy (trying not to be too spoilerific ;) ...). But I did see some of the twists coming and I personally like and expect to be thoroughly bamboozled by both the character and show :P

Another little thing the bbc kindly provided us with- John's blog: http://www.johnwatsonblog.co.uk/
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Re: Sherlock (series 2)

Postby SimStars13 » Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:22 pm

I loved it! Although, as you say, some of the twists were predictable, but that makes it fun, because for all the ones you do get, you get three times the amount wrong :P
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Re: Sherlock (series 2)

Postby Tonyblack » Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:27 pm

I shall watch this on the iPlayer when I get back to Cardiff. I hope it's as good as the previous episodes. :D
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Re: Sherlock (series 2)

Postby Bickaxe » Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:31 am

It was very good. Watch season 1 again the other day to remind myself and nothing has been lost. If anything, I've noticed a little more humour
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Re: Sherlock (series 2)

Postby Danny B » Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:12 am

::Double checks there's a spoiler button now::

Yup, there it is.

WARNING! Only open the spoiler tag if you have a high tolerance for the following: Minor spoilers (obviously), Holmes nerdery and ranting about gender politics in drama. If you're comfortable with the following, read on...

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I can't fault the episode for being slick and witty, but there were several things which annoyed me. The primary ones were Moriarty, a hangover from the last series; I find this version of Moriarty to be badly acted, clumsily written and poorly conceived. He's as caricatured as Rattigan from Basil the Great Mouse Detective, except without the wonderful Vincent Price doing the voice over. The second is Mycroft, supposedly the intellectual superior of Sherlock; this version seems rather more dull witted (minor grumble: significantly slimmer, too) than any other version of Mycroft. Finally, and most egregiously, to see Irene Adler, a woman; The Woman, one of a vanishingly small number of people to have defeated Holmes reduced to an over-sexualised, lesbian-but-straight-for-our-hero (Nice going! Everyone knows lesbians are simply confused women who haven't found the right penis yet. FFS! :roll: ), stripped-of-agency shadow of her former self was very sad indeed for this particular Holmes nerd. Everything she did was either at the behest of, or in reaction to, one of the male characters (Moriarty, Holmes, Mycroft; she took no action without her strings being pulled by a man first); the final indignity was to see her broken, defeated, begging for mercy and then, as a final reminder of The Woman's inferiority to Holmes, she had to be rescued by him, from the very predicament his coldness towards her left her in. Nice work, writers and producers; make a show more regressive in terms of sexual politics than something written more than a century ago.

This is part of a larger trend of belittling, mocking, shaming, side lining and ignoring women in the show. Some machismo is to be expected in a show about two men living together and solving crimes, but when Guy Ritchie, yes Guy Bloody Ritchie, gets a better bead on gender equality, merely by dint of sticking to the spirit, if not the letter, of the source material, you know that maybe your approach needs tempering somewhat.

I'm not a canon snob, or an Arthur Conan Doyle purist. I enjoy Guy Ritchie's musclebound take on the characters with his recent film interpretations, one of my very favourite short stories is a Holmes-Lovecraft homage/pastiche/Mash-Up written by Neil Gaiman called A Study in Emerald. I'm always happy to see new interpretations and updates of a sextuplet of timeless characters. I just genuinely believe that this current BBC adaptation goes against the progressive spirit of the source material and, considering we've had a century of supposed social development since the originals were written, to find an interpretation in which Irene Adler is turned from Holmes' intellectual equal and one of the few to get the better of him, into a dominatrix who is defeated, begs for mercy and is then rescued by her nemesis because she can't save herself? A backward step which annoys me greatly.

If we're going to see Irene Adler, then for goodness' sake let's see her win, if only to show that Holmes' isn't invincible and infallible, if nothing else.


There. If you made it all the way through that, well done. If it makes you feel any better, I've ranted about this on twitter, in emails, by text message and at length to my wife (who had the good sense to nod, say "Mmm-hmm" and not bother looking up from her book).

I'm also well aware that people who watch the show but aren't really Sherlock Holmes buffs won't care in the slightest about the issues I raise. I'm just in a very ranty mood about it.

Thanks for listening, or at least pretending to, and indulging a Holmes nerd's rantings.
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Re: Sherlock (series 2)

Postby spideyGirl » Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:38 am

Episode went down well in this house! :D

Edit: just read your spoiler Danny and I found myself making the same comments last night.
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Re: Sherlock (series 2)

Postby BobtheDrog » Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:59 pm

I enjoyed it but have to agree with several of the points made in the spoilers

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for the record I like the Moriarty figure I think he's well played

I agree about Mycroft, they've made a mess of him. On your interpretation of Adler I don't think she's meant to be a lesbian at all I think she's just meant to be very much bisexual but I do agree she has had a lot of what made her so impressive in the storiestaken away from her
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Re: Sherlock (series 2)

Postby Penfold » Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:16 pm

I missed this and forgot to record it. :( Does anyone know if it will be repeated soon?
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Re: Sherlock (series 2)

Postby Bouncy Castle » Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:34 pm

Saturday on BBC3, Penners. Around 7.30 I think.

There's been some outcry about the nudity before the watershed.
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Re: Sherlock (series 2)

Postby DaveC » Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:37 pm

I'll be watching it on the iPlayer. Herself watched it without me only while I was at work that evening...:(
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Re: Sherlock (series 2)

Postby Bouncy Castle » Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:38 pm

How rude!!
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Re: Sherlock (series 2)

Postby Dotsie » Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:51 pm

Bouncy Castle wrote:There's been some outcry about the nudity before the watershed.

Nothing was visible though :? It's shame that
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for a woman to be impressive she has to be naked. If a man can see your boobies he's not thinking about your brains. I think I'm a lot more impressive when I've got my kit on, from an intellectual point of view. And despite what the nakedness implied, I think it made it very obvious what sort of person she was (and not just that she wastes her money on designer shoes).

I prefered Stephen Fry as Mycroft, but the Guy Ritchie version of Holmes wasn't the best.
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Re: Sherlock (series 2)

Postby Penfold » Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:04 pm

Bouncy Castle wrote:Saturday on BBC3, Penners. Around 7.30 I think.

There's been some outcry about the nudity before the watershed.

Thank you Bouncy. I'm going to be working but I'll make sure I hit the record button before I go. :D
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Re: Sherlock (series 2)

Postby DaveC » Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:39 pm

God, this episode is good! :)
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Re: Sherlock (series 2)

Postby Penfold » Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:25 pm

I have to agree Dave. I know that the tv stories are rather different from the books (which no doubt the Holmes purists dislike) but I do like the way Moffat has modernised them to fit in with today's world while still keeping them recognizable. I particularly like the way they have highlighted the way Holmes picks up the clues and makes his observations, as well as the injection of humour into the series. :D

On a side note (and slightly off topic), I'm now really looking forward to the interplay between Martin Freeman (Bilbo Baggins) and Benedict Cumberbatch (Smaug) in "The Hobbit" Movie.
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