SPOILER ALERTS!!! Regarding Vetinari

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SPOILER ALERTS!!! Regarding Vetinari

Postby Herron451 » Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:32 pm

There are probably spoilers in this post and throughout this forum for Snuff and Unseen Acedemicals. Read ahead at your own risk.

If we assume the Patricians growing interest in the crossword puzzle lady, along with the surprising risks he has been taking, is a sign of growing instability, what would happen if he became too unstable? Consider all the known factors of Ankh Morpork. How would Vimes respond to it? Would carrot take the throne? What about Moist, the Ridcully brothers, and even Mrs. Cake?

Since this is all hypothetical, you can't be wrong. :) However, you can be questioned. Be prepared to defend your stance, and also be prepared to look at other people's ideas with an open mind.
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Postby One Man Bucket » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:37 pm

Well Pratchett has discounted both Vimes and Moist as being the future Patrician and he doesn't want to write about Carrot taking the throne so I'm pretty much stumped. I expect there'll be a general rush for the position whilst Vimes tries to prevent everything from dissolving into total anarchy. Eventually the person least offensive to everybody is likely to be elected since I doubt anyone smart enough to acquire the position like Vetinari did exists
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Postby stripy_tie » Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:38 pm

Unstable? how did you get from an argument with a crossword puzzle lady to that?

I did find it out of character for him to appear so visibly irritated by it but there's hardly enough evidence there to suggest instability.
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Postby LilMaibe » Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:55 pm

I'd rather be worried about the state of Vetinari's employees...
Normally he was almost over-informed about the people of his city...
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Postby Herron451 » Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:12 am

I was positing an idea. Perhaps a way to explain his out of character behaviors. I asked myself, "Why is he acting out of character? This isn't the first time he acted out of character. The heavy drinking and unusually approachable conversations were also out of character. Didn't they say once that his predecessors became significantly unhinged?" So I jumped to that conclusion. I thought it was a good place to start a mental exercise.

Personally i think Vimes would end up in a terrible position. As the second most powerful person in the city, he is ideally positioned to take control and enforce order, but it would involve, from Vimes perspective, a betrayal of The Patrician. It would also put him in a terrible position regarding Carrot, the rightful heir.

I believe that Moist would feel forced into a position to try to steal the city. The ultimate scam, as well as being a beloved public figure, unlike Sam.

Political unrest in the city would seriously destabilize the balance between the city and the college. I really have no idea how Ridcully would deal with the sudden change.
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Postby Australis » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:13 am

Here's a thought. The next Patrician.

Won't be Carrot.

Won't be Vimes.

Young Sam.

Good with people, descended from upper class, son of the beloved Commander Vimes. What's not to like?

That is all.
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Postby stripy_tie » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:38 pm

Australis wrote:Here's a thought. The next Patrician.

Won't be Carrot.

Won't be Vimes.

Young Sam.

Good with people, descended from upper class, son of the beloved Commander Vimes. What's not to like?

That is all.


I really like this idea, how old is vetinari? (this is presuming he doesn't go insane as seems to be the idea in the posts above) can he hang on for at least another 20-30 years?.
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Postby Ziriath » Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:05 pm

Vimes said something like: 'Do not know. As old as me?', so he was not certain. We do not know much about him ( and I think that's good.)
Here, in the Vetinari folder, is an interesting theory about him and alcohol http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/Discworld
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Postby MoonJewel » Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:33 pm

We know that Vetinari is about the same age or a little bit younger than Vimes. He was a young man not yet graduated from the Assissin's school in Night Watch when Sam was entering the night watch. I always estimated that Vimes is probably in his 40's or maybe 50's (Fred Colon is just getting towards retirement and we know that he's at least 10 years older than Vimes). If Vetinari's about the same age, I think he'd have a while to go before he'd be ready to hand in the towel. I like Austrlis's idea of young Sam. Although it would probably be another 25 or even 30+ years before he'd be ready, Vetinari could hold out. Also, with his "uncharacteristic" behavior, in the past, everything Vetinari did was for a reason. So, maybe there's a reason here that we'll see in the future.
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Postby stripy_tie » Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:26 pm

MoonJewel wrote:Although it would probably be another 25 or even 30+ years before he'd be ready, Vetinari could hold out. Also, with his "uncharacteristic" behavior, in the past, everything Vetinari did was for a reason. So, maybe there's a reason here that we'll see in the future.


Maybe he's feigning a very gradual descent into mental instability to lure out a few of the more clandestine and cautious political malcontents so he can make an example of them and keep the rest in line.

The fall out would secure his position for at least another decade and make any remaining plotters extremely cautious about pouncing on any apparent weaknesses.

We know Vetinari loves to play the long game.
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Postby Fortune Clutterbuck » Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:35 pm

Vetinari must get bored with constantly being six moves ahead of everyone else - is it any wonder that he has taken to crossword puzzles as a chance to pit his wits against an equal for once ?

Could it possibly be that a late blooming romance is on the horizon - it would be one way to ensure a successor (although I am sure he has already pieces in play against the eventuality of his demise)
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Postby Nullus Anxietas » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:31 pm

Australis wrote:Here's a thought. The next Patrician.

Won't be Carrot.

Won't be Vimes.

Young Sam.

Good with people, descended from upper class, son of the beloved Commander Vimes. What's not to like?

That is all.


With his current age and interests he should be good friends with Harry King.
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Re: SPOILER ALERTS!!! Regarding Vetinari

Postby Fortune Clutterbuck » Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:35 am

On the other hand ... how about Harry King's daughter ?
(No law against the Patrician being female is there?)
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Re: SPOILER ALERTS!!! Regarding Vetinari

Postby Fortune Clutterbuck » Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:37 am

I am sure he could dish the dirt on anyone who opposed her - he probably knows where all the bodies are buried too
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