Feet of Clay Discussion **Spoilers**

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Re: Feet of Clay Discussion **Spoilers**

Postby cabbagehead » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:22 pm

By this point of his writing Terry already had Arthur changing into a bat (and fearing the owls) and Greebo eating a vampire in bat form. Sally sees the changing into a swarm of bats a disadvantage that only females have to deal with. I bet she'd rather change into mist if that were an option. Looks like the mist option (which I don't remember, sorry) is a talent of the de Magpyrs - they are over-achieving vampires, what with their training to immunize them against religious symbols.
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Postby Sister Jennifer » Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:01 pm

ChristianBecker wrote:As The Mad Collector said.
Here in more detail:

Ars, artis feminine = Art (as in a work of art)
eniti, enitor, enixus sum = to bring forth (enixa because ars is feminine, est because it's thrid person singular); enixus sum/ enixa est is (roughly) present perfect.
candela, ae, f.`= candle (candelam because it is accusative case and eniti is a transitive verb)


Write that out a 100 times, and if it's not done by sunrise I'll cut your ba.... nevermind.

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Re: Feet of Clay Discussion **Spoilers**

Postby Who's Wee Dug » Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:10 am

cabbagehead wrote:By this point of his writing Terry already had Arthur changing into a bat (and fearing the owls) and Greebo eating a vampire in bat form. Sally sees the changing into a swarm of bats a disadvantage that only females have to deal with. I bet she'd rather change into mist if that were an option. Looks like the mist option (which I don't remember, sorry) is a talent of the de Magpyrs - they are over-achieving vampires, what with their training to immunize them against religious symbols.

I'm listening to Witches Abroad, and Greebo eating a vampire in bat form he had one pinned down and stated it was trying to change shape,is in it to I wonder if it's been duplicated.
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Re: Feet of Clay Discussion **Spoilers**

Postby cabbagehead » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:50 am

Sorry for the confusing wording. Yes, I meant that incident in Witches Abroad. I was listing mentions of transformed vampires in the series before Feet of Clay. Compared to the later mention of Sally transforming into a swarm of bats.
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Re: The fight in the candle factory

Postby stripy_tie » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:27 pm

Mary Skater wrote:I've just reread FoC. I remember being confused before by the sequence of events during the fight with the white golem, specifically what happed to Carrot. I've had another go at it, but I'm still not clear.


Carry fires the crossbow. Carrot gets the bolt through his left hand. The impact knocks him down. Carrot won't let Angua pull the bolt out because it has a silver point.

Cheri distracts the golem. Angua pulls Carrot out of the way and hauls him to his feet, blood dripping from his hand.

Carrot drew his sword. (Does he still have the arrow through his left hand? Usually you'd want the left to steady the scabbard while you draw with the right, but okay, maybe you can draw one-handed.) The golem knocks the sword away.

Dorfl distracts the white golem. Carrot gets a long metal rod from a stirring tank. (I was initially confused by the phrased "eased himself back down to the grease-crusted floor," as it seemed to mean he lay down. Eventually realised he must have had to climb up to the stirring tank, and was now back standing on the floor.)

As the white golem approaches, "Carrot hopped backwards, steadied himself on a rail, and swung." Why hopped? Does he have a bad leg? First I've heard of it. I think we can assume he has by now got rid of the crossbow bolt through his hand, although it hasn't been mentioned.

Carrot has a plan. We next see him climbing along the overhead gantry. He jumps on to the white golem's back, then off to the floor when Vimes and Detritus arrive. "He landed awkwardly on a sliding heap of candles. His leg buckled under him.." There's that bad leg again. Or did he just get hurt by the slide? Carrot is usually tougher than that. When the white golem comes for him, he "squirms" away and later "struggles up". Suggests to me a leg injury rather than a hand injury.

Carrot and Detritus carry away Dorfl's remains. Okay, maybe Detritus did most of the work. No further mention of injuries.


Maybe I'm just being thick, but it reads to me like a scene that was written in two different versions, and the "merge" wasn't done too carefully. Does anyone else have problems with it, or is it all obvious to everybody but me? :doh:

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You're definitely not alone on this one, i had to re-read that fight scene a couple of times because i didn't understand what was going on. It really needed to be taken back to the drawing board and to be re-worded and re-structured. I find this sort of thing does crop up very occasionally in his writing. Thankfully, the rest of the time his prose is very clear and concise.
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Re: The fight in the candle factory

Postby Mary Skater » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:30 pm

stripy_tie wrote: I find this sort of thing does crop up very occasionally in his writing. Thankfully, the rest of the time his prose is very clear and concise.

Yes, I can live with the occasional inconsistency between books. It happens when ideas get developed in a new direction. But it is a bit irritating in a single fast-moving scene. However, as you say, it's not common.

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Re: Feet of Clay Discussion **Spoilers**

Postby Discworldpadawan » Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:02 pm

Im halfway through reading F.O.C, and has / did anyone else notice yet another nod to lord of the rings here? (I read it as such anyway :lol: ) It was when Vimes was talking to Cheery with regards to the appearance of the new ear-rings, and vimes says something along the lines of "earrings eh? oh yes, everyone knows Dwarfs are good with magical rings"! Haha!! :lol: :lol:
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Re: Feet of Clay Discussion **Spoilers**

Postby Mixa » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:35 pm

Yes, I remember I got it as well. :lol: Don't think you are imagining things that are not there, in Discworld books double meanings are everywhere.

Hey! Let us know your opinion when you'll finish the book. I enjoyed it a lot... DW series really get better and better book by book. Especailly the Watch one. ;)

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Re: Feet of Clay Discussion **Spoilers**

Postby Tonyblack » Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:56 pm

Someone on the Annotated Pratchett Files described the scene in the candle factory as being like the end of the first Terminator movie. :)
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Re: Feet of Clay Discussion **Spoilers**

Postby Discworldpadawan » Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:55 pm

Tonyblack wrote:Someone on the Annotated Pratchett Files described the scene in the candle factory as being like the end of the first Terminator movie. :)


Very definately Terminator 2's end fight scene in the smelting works Tony, with all those pools of molten Iron / candle wax / conveyor belts and moving machinery :) Conjures up a vivid comparison dosent it! Sticking with the Robot movie theme, one of Dorfl's lines when he attemts to arrest Dragon King of arms,- "Undead or alive, you are comming with me", is very similar to what another policeman, (Robocop) says when he's doing arrests, - "dead or alive, your comming with me". Right after that, Dragon King of arms says "you made that thing a policeman??!!" Knowing how Sir Terry works, Im sure this scene in the book is a nod at Robocop. :) Clever!
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Re: Feet of Clay Discussion **Spoilers**

Postby Discworldpadawan » Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:04 pm

Mixa wrote:Yes, I remember I got it as well. :lol: Don't think you are imagining things that are not there, in Discworld books double meanings are everywhere.

Hey! Let us know your opinion when you'll finish the book. I enjoyed it a lot... DW series really get better and better book by book. Especailly the Watch one. ;)

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Just finished it tonight Mixa! I must say I enjoyed this the most out of all the Watch books so far, and they've all been fab! Nice to see Vetinari finally starting to be the cunning, critical-thinking tyrant I love from later books, also the start of the Drumknott faithful servant - to- master relationship starting to develop. As well as this, Vimes in this book is more like he is in Discworld novels further on down the timeline :) Glad Dorfl diddnt die, even better he's now in the Watch! I've already got Jingo waiting in the sidelines to start reading over the weekend, cant wait to see what happenes to the watch next!! Well done Sir terry, this was a cracker :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Re: Feet of Clay Discussion **Spoilers**

Postby Mixa » Fri Aug 01, 2014 12:32 pm

I’m so glad you liked it! :D

Yes, I know how you feel. Rereading the Watch series it has happened to me exactly the same. Observing how everything started, why Drumknott arrived to Vetinari (in my opinion they have the best clerk-boss relationship in the world! :mrgreen: ), how the agents join the Watch, Vimes evolution (if the plot of G!G! wouldn’t had happened, he’d still be lying in the gutter completely drunk XP)... For me it’s one of the best series relating to its development.

I encourage you to start “Jingo” without delay. In my opinion is the book where Carrot unfolds more his abilities, but you get to discover another facet of every character (especially Vetinari... Chapeau! :clap: )

And that’s all I can say! If you want to know more,
HERE I published my opinion about it.

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