pip wrote:The character who's chnaged the most for me is Detritus. From humble beginings on the Broken Drum pub door to Holy wood . His marriage to Ruby , trouble having kids, Important part of the watch , adoption of Brick with a little background and some great insights into interspecies relations. He came from even lower down the food chain than Vimes . While not the most major character i still think he's come a huge distance over the books .
raisindot wrote:For a main character, I'd have to agree that Vimesy is the most developed, considering what he was at the beginning of the series (a stumbling drunken buffoon who only near the end rose to reach his potential) to the veteran, powerful, world-changing supercop of Snuff.
In second place I'd put Moist Von Lipwig, since he's really the only main character (other than Vimes) who really does a great deal of soul-searching about who he is and what he stands for.
In terms of continuing characters who are protagonists, I'd say Vetinari. He started off as an oafish, one-dimensional dictator, and by Unseen Academicals he had developed to the point where he could start publicly analyzing the nature of tyranny in a drunken state.
inca wrote:Actually, I think Vetinari has developed quite a bit. More subtle and less obvious, but in the start of Guards, Guards he confesses that he deliberately has stunted the Night Watch and the city is actually not working that well - which is why Carrot comes in after all.
Also, his manipulation in those earlier books is quite crude.
In later books, he manipulates far more subtle without any display of force or threat at all, just by deliberately not saying anything at all. He respects Vimes opinion and position more, still using him for his own purposes but not with the same disregard - taking the badge away in Men at Arms is basically just cruel, and nothing of the sorts is done more recently.
He even shows doubt in Thud, about the handling of the grag.
So I think both the style of manipulation and his goal towards a city that 'just works' have refined in times.
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