Favourite bit of Unseen Academicals (may contain spoilers)

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Postby Dotsie » Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:02 am

LilMaibe wrote:That one scene with the CoC, where he demands a student is punished for trying something to see if it would work and what would happen even managed to make me stare at the book agape.

You're going to have to elaborate. What's a coc? Are you talking about the bacon sandwich incident? A scientist should never try something potentially very dangerous, the fact that they often do is bad science but it doesn't mean it doesn't get results. For every scientist who got a Nobel prize after drinking Helicobacter pylori, there's one who accidently killed himself (and others). And if you're their boss, you would punish the ones who don't walk away with a Nobel prize (them dying gets you into trouble).

LilMaibe wrote:I'm aware Ponder's (said to) have seen through Ridcully's obfuscating (sp?) stupidity, but he should know better than to assume everyone gets what he's talking about.
It's just weird...

Ridcully's not stupid, and Ponder knows this. Does Ridcully actually obfuscate? I think he likes things to be as simple as possible. Or do you mean Ponder obfuscates? Academics always talk to their colleagues as if everyone gets what they're talking about, even if it's a completely different discipline (they're bloody annoying).
What's up with this glass? Excuse me? Excuse me? This is my glass? I don't think so. My glass was full! And it was a bigger glass!
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Postby LilMaibe » Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:25 am

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... gStupidity

gramatically I might have missed up...but I stand to my opinion... that isn't the Ponder i got to know and like. That's not the Ponder who in TLC 'ranted' inwardly about the senior wizards always being -we tried that once- etc.
That is a Ponder who thinks just like the senior wizards. A Ponder who would have forbidden Skazz to built the ant-counter that later became Hex. A Ponder who would have never thought of trying to split the thaum. A Ponder who'd rather dropped the Hex-project than to have 'something as silly' as the FTB in it.

But still, the characters in the book don't feel like they're the same as before (and it's beyond characterisation progress :( )
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Postby Tonyblack » Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:28 am

LilMaibe wrote:http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ObfuscatingStupidity

gramatically I might have missed up...

But still, the characters in the book don't feel like they're the same as before (and it's beyond characterisation progress :( )
:lol: From what I can tell, the Ponder you know and like is the one that exists in your fan fics. :)
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Postby Tonyblack » Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:30 am

What the??? :?

Did I imagine your last post about 'not the Ponder I know and like', or did you edit it while I was writing my response? :D
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Postby LilMaibe » Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:35 am

Tonyblack wrote:What the??? :?

Did I imagine your last post about 'not the Ponder I know and like', or did you edit it while I was writing my response? :D


I edited, then the forum ate my post :?
I know I'm a bit biased by being a fanfic writer, but I do doubt I am that biased to get it completely wrong :(
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Postby Tonyblack » Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:51 am

I don't know, it's been a while since I read UA, but I liked Ponder in this one. He's always been a favourite of mine anyhow. But I particularly liked the way that the Faculty had passed so much on to him that he found he had real power. He's one of the few mambers who actually takes an interest in things.

It seems to come as a bit of a shock to him, but he's pretty much got control of the whole University. Kind of a revenge of the nerds. :lol:
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Postby LilMaibe » Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:54 am

If only he'd still be a nerd... *sighs sorrowfully*
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Postby Dotsie » Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:56 am

Oh, he's a nerd alright.
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Postby LilMaibe » Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:36 am

:cry:
Am I really that wrong and far off with my interpreation?
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Postby polythenegirl » Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:43 am

Inkmusic wrote:
meerkat wrote:Do miss the burser though!

Did nobody else notice that? The Bursar was amazing in other books, and I don't know if he's even in this book! Now, I know all of you will be correcting me as soon as possible, but the one complaint I had with this book was that I thought it would focus more on the original staff: Runes, Chair, Senior Wrangler etc. Instead, they introduced new characters like the bledlows! Okay, I tell a lie. I had two complaints. What was the matter with Drumknott in this book? I loved the bit about the mug, but he was so....prejudiced in this book.
I did love Glenda, though.


I personally don't think there is anything wrong with the introducing of new characters while leaving the others in their respective groups/personalities. It gives the University a bit more depth IMO and it gives the reader more of an idea of how it works whcih I liked. Gave a good bit of insight!

As much as it is good to have a base of main stay characters like the Faculty, teh Watch, the wtiches, I like when new characters are introduced - freshens it up a bit I think :D


Overall i really really enjoyed this book, one of my favourites and one I enjoy reading again and again. Looking forward to seeing how its put into an adaptation!
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Postby raisindot » Tue Aug 30, 2011 3:34 pm

Inkmusic wrote:
meerkat wrote:Do miss the burser though!

Did nobody else notice that? The Bursar was amazing in other books, and I don't know if he's even in this book!


The Bursar was definitely conspicuous by his absence. I'm repeating myself here from what I posted earlier, but it's my totally unproven theory that PTerry intentionally left the Bursar out because, given PTerry's own battle against the ravages of Alzheimer's disease, he felt that including a character whose comic persona was nearly completely defined by his tenuous grip on reality, was no longer appropriate.
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Postby Inkmusic » Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:11 pm

I guess that makes sense--for other authors. Would pTerry really do that? He knows that everyone likes the Bursar. The orangutans are going extinct, but he hasn't left the librarian out!
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Postby LilMaibe » Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:14 pm

Tonyblack wrote:
LilMaibe wrote:http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ObfuscatingStupidity

gramatically I might have missed up...

But still, the characters in the book don't feel like they're the same as before (and it's beyond characterisation progress :( )
:lol: From what I can tell, the Ponder you know and like is the one that exists in your fan fics. :)


Once more: Did I really screw up the characters THAT much with my interpretation?
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Postby PoohKarrot » Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:31 pm

Have you read the Science of Discworld books Meeps? :D
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Postby LilMaibe » Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:36 am

PoohKarrot wrote:Have you read the Science of Discworld books Meeps? :D


yes. like them more than UA. his portrayal is better there. weird, but not as weird as in UA.

But that doesn't the answer my question :( Am I really that of with my interpretation and if yes why?
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