Kirby or Kidby (or even Player)?

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Who's your favourite Discworld cover artist?

Josh Kirby
4
27%
Paul Kidby
5
33%
Stephen Player
0
No votes
None of the above, I prefer a different cover format
6
40%
 
Total votes : 15

Kirby or Kidby (or even Player)?

Postby Pearwood » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:44 am

Put simply, which of the Discworld cover artists do you like best? Personally, I was always drawn to the series by Josh Kirby's anarchic art style, the way you could spend ages just trying to figure out what the heck was going on in them and the vivid use of colour - I'd always look at the books in the shops years before I actually read one. I've never really warmed to Kidby or Player's art so much though both are hugely talented (and probably a lot more accurate to the text). They just seem a lot more conventional in their art style.

And I have no time for those minimalistic covers with the black background or the rubbish American ones! :P
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Postby pip » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:49 am

Have to go with Kidby.
Just think he captured the stories and subtleties better than kirby.
I also think the covers appeal to a wider audience :D
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Postby meerkat » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:59 am

I like the black covers. Um...cos I do! :lol: :wink:
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Postby pip » Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:00 am

You are a master debater Meer :lol:
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Postby Tonyblack » Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:02 am

I'm actually leaning more towards the French covers. I've never liked the Kirby covers and, although I think the Kidby covers are very good, what I don't like is their realism. The character images are likely to influence my perception of what the characters should look like.

I know people rubbish the American covers, but generally speaking, I don't mind them too much. It's the story inside that I'm really interested in.

If the British covers came with the artwork by the French illustrator, Marc Simonetti, then I'd be perfectly happy with them. :D
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Postby meerkat » Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:10 am

pip wrote:You are a master debater Meer :lol:


This is true! :lol:
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Postby Tonyblack » Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:11 am

meerkat wrote:I like the black covers. Um...cos I do! :lol: :wink:
Yes, I like the black covers as well. :D

I went for the black cover option when I bought the Harry Potter books. :wink:
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Postby meerkat » Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:16 am

They are so muh more...adult, but like you say, it is the story inside that matters (but they do look good on a bookcase! :lol: )
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Postby pip » Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:21 am

Tonyblack wrote:
meerkat wrote:I like the black covers. Um...cos I do! :lol: :wink:
Yes, I like the black covers as well. :D

I went for the black cover option when I bought the Harry Potter books. :wink:


got bought versions for the HP hardbacks. I liked both. Got a two sided advert poster with the black coevr and childrens cover on opposite sides for deathly hollows, half blood prince and order of the phoenix so can change em depending on my mood :D
I do like the french covers though Tony. good point :D
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Postby Pearwood » Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:25 am

Tonyblack wrote:If the British covers came with the artwork by the French illustrator, Marc Simonetti, then I'd be perfectly happy with them. :D

Hmm, I hadn't actually seen his work before, but a quick google search reveals all. His work has more of the wackiness that Kidby lacks, but I still don't think I'd rate him as high as Kirby.
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Postby Jan Van Quirm » Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:52 am

Definitely Marc Simonetti these days - Josh was brilliant but Discworld was moving on when he died and so he's firmly ensconced in the past now when the magic was still wild and anarchic and we all, including Terry were exploring Discworld for ourselves.

I like Paul's work and Stephen Player's too, very much (my Great A'tuin coffee table, like the forum turtle is based on the latter's work), but the difference is that they're both highly illustrative rather than interpretive and it's that which makes the difference and gives out the edge of spontaneity and 'edginess' that Discworld demands. Terry himself once said that Josh's visuals brought his words to life in an unexpected and highly apt manner and it's that element of creative challenge that marks the departure from faithful and thoughtful illustration to true artistic high adventure and Marc/Kemar, like Josh has that gift.

It's going the extra mile in other words - the unexpected fillips like the shadows of the evaporated thieves on the wall in Guards! Guards! and the auditors' 'wrong' skeletal horse for their replacement Death in Reaperman that make all the difference to the imagery and the spirit of the story rather than painstaking accuracy to the telling of the tale and screams out from Marc's 'loose' and almost freeform brushstrokes that are about impression as well as expression that brings out the subtleties. Josh's work had that same fluidity and 'bursting out' vividness, but his approach was more brash and manic - 'in your face' style which suited the early Discworld in a gutsy, raw way that Paul and Stephen have refined and pared down to some extent so it becomes more recognisable and real to the point where it's, not lost the energy so much as put it under constraint somehow? Marc has let the wildness break out again and whilst he's not always successful (The Truth cover work seems rather tame for instance) there's always something there that will scream out at you that's so 'right' even if you didn't 'get' that nuance in your reading - there's more to illustration than the detail in other words. You need to spill the guts of it to capture a truly original spirit as well... :wink:
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Postby The Mad Collector » Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:00 pm

I agree that Marc's covers are probably the best out there at the moment. I loved Josh's work and have some of the signed limited edition prints he did not long before he died, I wish now I had bought all of them.
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Postby DaveC » Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:24 pm

I ticked Kidby by accident, I do prefer Marc Simonetti as well. Pearwood, for a great rundown in order of his work and our reactions to them.

http://www.terrypratchett.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1915

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Postby Archaeologist » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:22 pm

I'm not lucky enough to see the European versions in my bookstores, but I love Paul's art. Oh, yes. Josh's actually used to put me off when I was younger. I remember walking the shelves of my high school library and seeing those almost grotesque covers and think, 'What the Underworld is that all about?' I don't mind them as much now, and they're certainly more interesting than the American editions. You can stare at Josh's for hours trying to work out what's going on and I do like how he draws Angua. But I adore Kidby's 'Making Money' cover with Moist on the dollar note and the Lavishes all shadows behind him, but have instead after an internet order the one with the lime background and the top hat with the money flying out of it. (But the latter has much better typeset in my opinion, so there we go...) I also love his parody of the painting Night Watch for, er, 'Night Watch'.

Oh. I also love the black covers. I don't actually know what '(Guards!)x2' looks like as Kirby or Kidby or anything else.
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Postby Archaeologist » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:27 pm

Just looked at Marc Simonetti's work.

...Woah.

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