The Colour of Magic Movie

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Postby Tina a.k.a.SusanSto.Helit » Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:53 pm

The Patrician cradled his chins in a beringed
hand,
and regarded the wizard with eyes as small
and hard as beads.
"Let me see,' he said. "Oathbreaking, the theft of a
horse, uttering false coinage - yes, I think it's the
Arena for you, Rincewind.'
This was too much.
"i didn't steal the horse! I bought it fairly!'
"But with false coinage. Technical theft, you see.'
"But those rhinu are solid gold!'
"Rhinu?' The Patrician rolled one of them around
in his thick fingers. "is that what they are called?
How interesting. But, as you point out, they are not
very similar to dollars . . .'

Yep, Tall, thin, no rings or ornamentation, except for the yearly Lilac sprig.
Gotta give this one to Mspanners. I am not sure of his name though. Other than the Mad or Truly Daft ones, Dark Humor and or Treachery would be a definite Must Have for a qualified Patrician. I have also not a memory of Vetinari using "The Arena" for sport. Could be wrong, but tis my little stand and I am jolly well going to stand on it. :twisted:
Aha! So, Bob's yer uncle... very clever.
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Postby Tonyblack » Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:32 am

It may indeed say all of that and I agree it sounds nothing like the Vetinari that we know - however - as was pointed out, when Terry was asked about the Patrician in the early books, he stated that it WAS Vetinari. :wink:
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Postby Jason » Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:48 am

I've spoken personally to Terry about this while on set of the movie and Terry was adamant that the Patrician in TCOM is Vetinari. He also said that he hadn't really thought the character out fully at that point. When writing TCOM he thought it would be a one off.

This is why Terry write the extra lines for Jeremy Irons to bring the Patrician in TCOM in line with the character we know and love from later in the series.

So we can argue all we like but as far as the author of the books is concerned the Patrician in TCOM is Vetinari - if only a half thought out version.
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Postby kakaze » Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:55 am

Jan Van Quirm wrote:Hi there Joe

In Sourcery the Patrician was turned into a lizard and the Librarian looke after him and his little dog - Wuffles? - so that must have been Vetinari. The Patrician in CoM & LF was more a 'Blofeld' type and ate candied echinoderms... could well still have been Vetinari but in Nightwatch didn't we read something about Vetinari's predecessor or the one before him had a fondness for sea urchins? :?


I couldn't find any reference to sea urchins or echinoderms in Night Watch. "Urchin" was used several times, but only when referring to the young Nobbs.

Sea Urchins were mention in Pyramids in a conversation between Teppic and Chidder. Also, Anghammarad in Going Postal said that he saw many sea urchins during his long wait at the bottom of the sea. In Sorcery a man named Miskin Koble had a stall selling, among other things, jellied starfish.

I don't know if it's relevant, but Ponder used to collect starfish when he was a boy.

It seems that sea urchins & starfish are not an uncommon food in the city of Ankh-Morpork and therefore can't be used to identify a particular person by their eating habits.

mspanners wrote:That is the point, in most of the books Vetinari is a tall thin man with a vampire like appearance who thinks water and bread a meal, whose build was described as so thin an assassins blade would be hard to find its target......(Watered down Hammer Horror type, in the art work to.. the chap who played the Patrican in the TV Colour of Magic was spot on for casting as Vetinari in my view)

BUT in the book The Colour of Magic the patrician was a short man with double chins and beringed finger who, as stated, feasted on crystalised sea foods and treats.

He did have some of the inane Humor of Vetinari and the dark clarks but any despot would have secret Policemen.

And I can not see Vetinari threatening Rincewind with torture to placate an invasion force... IF Vetinari were to have someone murdered He would have it done quietly...... I just do not see him as the mad torturing type.... Well not physical torture anyway, Mental torture yes but not disembowelment surly.


Vetinari was known to keep a scorpion pit into which he threw mimes. Also, in Guards! Guards! he was thrown into his own dungeon which contained rats, snakes, and scorpions, although he suggests that this was over-exuberance on the part of his captor, Wonse. He also went through the physical hanging of Moist Von Lipvig, followed by the threat of finishing the job, in order to give him the proper incentive to get the Post Office working again.

I agree that the physical descriptions don't match very well but other characters change appearance over time too. The wizards were originally thin and Lady Ramkin seems to have shrunk a bit in later books. I don't know if these were supposed to be the same character, but Krysoprase in the Light Fanstastic was a craggy, moss-covered troll, while Crysoprase in Soul Music was smooth and glossy. Recurring characters in long series can often change dramatically throughout the series.

Besides, as Tonyblack has pointed out, the author has identified him as Vetinari.
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Postby mspanners » Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:36 pm

In the Book The Colour of Magic the Patrician, I am almost certain, offered Rincewind and/or one of his subordinates a crystallised echinoderm.... Google it I should! 8)

OK so it was a proto Vetinari in the first books , when did we see the later more subtle Vetinari appear? Guards! Guards! would be my choice....

Ps Although Vetinari has used Violence, and for example, had Moist hung it was a rouse to entrap Him and not intended as a physical torture. It was as a mental lever over Him. Indeed in Making Money Vetinari allows Moist to confess His crimes in public thus derailing any plans by the Lavishes.... in the later books Vetinari is defiantly a more cerebral man and not the thug as in the first books. I think IF the Patrician in the First Discworld books is Vetinari He is about 40% Vetinari by mind and 0% in looks and Manner.... :shock:
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Postby kakaze » Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:04 pm

Just out of curiosity, do they eat sea urchins or starfish in England?
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Postby Jan Van Quirm » Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:28 pm

Erm... :roll: No I don't think so - I adore seafood mostly and I've never come across either of them on a menu when I did still go out to fancy London restaurants :lol: I live quite near to Padstow where Rick Stein (famous for his fish and seafood cooking) has several restaurants and they don't do them there either (just checked - nada)
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Postby mspanners » Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:22 pm

No, not a uk food as far as I am aware... Fish and Chip (French Fries to the rest of the world) is as close as it gets to Starfish!

Unless someone else here knows better!!! :shock:

Had Shark once.... Rincewind was right about the taste,but rubbery fish stakes is as close to a description that I can think of....

Only had it once says it all really.... :D
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Postby Perdita X » Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:43 am

Jan Van Quirm wrote:Erm... :roll: No I don't think so - I adore seafood mostly and I've never come across either of them on a menu when I did still go out to fancy London restaurants :lol: I live quite near to Padstow where Rick Stein (famous for his fish and seafood cooking) has several restaurants and they don't do them there either (just checked - nada)

Hi jan - we stay at Mother Iveys Bay every year just down the road from Padstow, trevose Head - small world - Kind of !!
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Postby Jan Van Quirm » Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:33 pm

Emmet! :lol:

It's lovely down there :D We live kind of halfway between Bude and Caradon (with the TV mast) on Bodmin moor just north of the A395
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Postby chris.ph » Fri Jun 05, 2009 3:13 pm

ive walked bodmin a few times and dartmoor. as long as theres a pub at the end of the yomps theres a pub ill walk for miles :lol:
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Postby Conspiracy Theory » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:26 pm

Accordng to Amazon.com, the US release date for The Color of Magic is July 14th, 2009.

Already pre-ordered!

JOY!

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Postby Tina a.k.a.SusanSto.Helit » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:42 pm

I Can't Wait!!! Woot!
Aha! So, Bob's yer uncle... very clever.
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YAY!

Postby Conspiracy Theory » Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:23 am

Got my copy on DVD today.

I'm about 1/2 way through part one.

I have the following to say:

Yes, there are plot deviations.
People don't look and sound the same way they did in my head.

However,

It's a fun story.
Getting lots of laughs.
As far as pure entertainment value goes, it would be difficult to top.
I intend to watch it again, and again, and again.

I am looking forward to anything else coming out on DVD.


:D
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Re: YAY!

Postby Tonyblack » Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:37 am

Conspiracy Theory wrote:Got my copy on DVD today.

I'm about 1/2 way through part one.

I have the following to say:

Yes, there are plot deviations.
People don't look and sound the same way they did in my head.

However,

It's a fun story.
Getting lots of laughs.
As far as pure entertainment value goes, it would be difficult to top.
I intend to watch it again, and again, and again.

I am looking forward to anything else coming out on DVD.


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Well said!

It would be impossible for the film makers to produce a movie that satisfied everyone. If people really want to watch the movie that's in their heads then they need to read the books. :D
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