poohcarrot wrote:I'm going to be a paragon of virtue and refrain from commenting at all, unless some religious loony starts spouting off.
Rjinswand wrote:poohcarrot wrote:I'm going to be a paragon of virtue and refrain from commenting at all, unless some religious loony starts spouting off.
Be careful what you wish for - looks like there's not going to be too many Holy Joes coming in here to do the honours for the reactionaries. We could alway get a reverse devil's advocate opinion I suppose so how about this, based on some of the points brought up in the Newsnight debate by the worried 'antes'?
Rjinswand wrote:Bless thee poohcarrot, but thou dost not get out of it that easily because thou hast ignored the overriding reason why Jesus was incarnated and born to a virgin. Yea verily, 'twas a miracle, not to mention more than a bit of of a squeeze to be born in that manner but he'd have been a lot better off emerging from the womb of a lady of more experience, so his wishes in the matter were not altogether ones of choice or comfort for he had to learn about being a man (well a baby first obviously ) the hard way... God in his paternal aspect being a rather nasty old beard in the sky. We are taught by scripture that he was sent to this world for the purpose of redeeming wretched humanity from original sin and to do that he would ultimately have to die for this purpose so that people could stop clogging up purgatory - there really was a massive overcrowding problem!
Of course Jesus was on a mission from Glod - erm, God, so although technically he knew he'd end up having to die, he didn't necessarily want to, which isn't exactly the same thing now is it?
It's a real bugger being a messiah what with pre-cognition and everything - I mean you can't even pretend not to know what comes after death so nobody's really that grateful that you come down and die for 'em because they keep making smartarase remarks like wot you just did. And then they say they don't believe in you anyhoo or in an after-life so really what is all the fuss about when you actually get down to it? You have to die whether you want to or not - sorry that's what being mortal means. Does it really matter when you go if nothing happens afterwards? I don't know - you create a lovely world for people and do you get any thanks for it *mumblemuttermumble* I don't know why I waste my time... grumblegroangnashingofteethgroangrumble
poohcarrot wrote:Tosh and piffle my tiddly!
You seem to be labouring under the impression that JC had no free will.
Rjinswand wrote:.... it's about choice - Jesus chose to die...
Rjinswand wrote:'Course he had 'free' will - doesn't mean he can't decide to do something he doesn't want to do does it?
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