Hey Terry Why Are You Looking At Dying

Moderators: Jason, Toothy, Tonyblack

Hey Terry Why Are You Looking At Dying

Postby graemehin » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:44 pm

Hi Terry, if you ever read this,

Where do you draw the line on this, at what point would dying be a better option? Tell you what if we met and you spoke to me you may change your mind at what point would you would want to do this!
So many people live with problems that others feel would invoke a suicide descision, its not right, life is precious and its not right, I feel it gives manner to the folks that beleive that we live in a brave new world or failing that logans run!

we all only live once, depending who you beleive,
Graeme
graemehin
New member
 
Posts: 1
Joined: Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:31 pm

Postby The Mad Collector » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:34 pm

OK, this is tricky and I guess we are going to see more posts like this after tonights film and Terry sure isn't going to answer them as he is highly unlikely to post here even if he reads what has been written.

This is a difficult subject and I can see both sides, I'm expecting to die of cancer before what I would like to think is my natural lifeterm. My family is part of the human genome project because of our unusual cancer history where each generation all fall to a particular cancer but it is a different one in each generation. My fathers generation have all had brain tumors as they hit their 50's, just two of them, including my father I'm glad to say, are still alive. The generation below me have all (and I mean ALL) had kidney cancer as young children and whilst so far they are all alive the eldest is 18 and she has now been diagnosed that her remaining kidney is showing signs of the cancer.

I don't know what I would do if/when I find out what my generation will hit. I'm the eldest so expect to be the one that finds out. What I will however defend to the very last is the right of somebody to make their own choice.
One of those? Oh I'm sure I have one somewhere..

http://www.bearsonthesquare.com
User avatar
The Mad Collector
Member
 
Posts: 9993
Joined: Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:48 am
Location: Ironbridge UK

Postby Tonyblack » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:55 pm

I'm fully expecting a whole bunch of these sort of one-off posts due to the programme - both for and against.

As you point out, it's highly unlikely that Terry will read these posts, or indeed that the posters will make more than one post.

If they want to make a post then that's fine, but I'd suggest that none of us regular posters get into a debate with them. I rather think it's going to be a wasted effort.

Tony.
"Goodness is about what you do. Not what you pray to."
User avatar
Tonyblack
Moderator
 
Posts: 28777
Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:29 pm
Location: Cardiff, Wales

Postby archerinwood » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:58 pm

I, like the mad collector, fully support people's right to choose what they do.
Please help by looking at my discworld stamp trading list: http://www.discworldstamps.co.uk/forum/ ... 80#p612380
User avatar
archerinwood
Member
 
Posts: 548
Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:56 pm
Location: Leshp, somewhere under the sea

Postby The Mad Collector » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:59 pm

I wasn't getting into a debate as such Tony, merely making my own response to the program and strongly disagree with your decision to use a green ink posting following my own post

Very very not happy Tony :(
One of those? Oh I'm sure I have one somewhere..

http://www.bearsonthesquare.com
User avatar
The Mad Collector
Member
 
Posts: 9993
Joined: Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:48 am
Location: Ironbridge UK

Postby Tonyblack » Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:11 pm

Sorry Mad, that was not directed at you personally. You are of course quite entitled to make whatever comments you like.

What I was trying to put across was that there was little point in posting welcomes and getting into debates with people who had (probably) had their say and gone.

When Terry received his knighthood, we had a huge influx of new posters starting threads all over the place congratulating Terry. They generally made one post and we never saw them again.

Again, let me apologise if you thought that comment in green was aimed at you. I can assure you that it wasn't.

Of course, as soon as I posted the thing, the board started playing up and I had to close my Internet connection down. I didn't get to see your post for quite some time. :oops:
"Goodness is about what you do. Not what you pray to."
User avatar
Tonyblack
Moderator
 
Posts: 28777
Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:29 pm
Location: Cardiff, Wales

Postby deldaisy » Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:40 pm

Was there a link to the forum somewhere in the program?

Well new members are new members.... if one in ten stays then thats ONE new member for the forum huh?

Mad: What a sad post. Not just for what you must feel is like a Sword Of Damocles for yourself.... but for the other members of your family. I am so sorry to hear that.

Chin up mate. It may never happen. My brothers daughter has been living all her life with a terminal illness. She wasn't supposed to live til she was past her teens... and as meds get better she gets a longer term. As my brother says, "We are all dying! We are dead when we are dead!" and her illness isn't discussed in their family past the immediate health concerns.

None of us know for absolute certain what is in our future short or long term.... so you better wear clean underwear... JUST IN CASE!
The Collective Brain: The synoptic serendipity that comes when interesting thoughts from interesting and interested people get together. And the whole is always more than the sum of its parts.
User avatar
deldaisy
Member
 
Posts: 8032
Joined: Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:04 pm
Location: Brisbane, Australia

Postby poohcarrot » Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:07 am

Brave words, Mad. :D I agree with you 100%.

I'm pretty sure Tony's green ink was to stop the forum's more argumentative wimmin (like Jan, Dotsie, Del or meerkat) getting involved in heated debates with newbies. :lol:

I'm going to be a paragon of virtue and refrain from commenting at all, unless some religious loony starts spouting off. 8)

For the record (I've mentioned this once before - I believe), my parents were both very religious and my mum died of cancer when I was 21, and when I was 26, my father had a breakdown, said everything he ever believed in was bollux, then killed himself as an assisted suicide with the aid of a train.

This probably explains why I am like I am.

Look on the bright side Mad, as Del says, you aten't dead yet. :P
"Disliking Carrot would be like kicking a puppy."
"You kicked a puppy," Lobsang said accusingly.
User avatar
poohcarrot
Member
 
Posts: 10425
Joined: Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:11 pm
Location: NOT The land of the risen Son!!

Postby Who's Wee Dug » Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:17 am

This made me rather sad after watching the programme,I do hope it's not true.

http://blastr.com/2011/06/terry-pratchett-begins-fo.php
He willnae tak' a drink! I think he's deid! , on the other hand though A Midgie in yir hand is worth twa up yir kilt.
User avatar
Who's Wee Dug
Member
 
Posts: 14634
Joined: Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:31 pm
Location: Stirlingshire, Scotland

Postby spideyGirl » Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:07 am

Image all xx
User avatar
spideyGirl
Member
 
Posts: 3548
Joined: Sun Nov 21, 2010 3:15 pm
Location: Yorkshire, UK

Don't leave us yet!

Postby fabioshui » Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:10 am

Please, Mr. Pratchett, don't leave us before due time!

I know there's still dozens new books still lurking in your mind, just waiting to be thrust into paper.

As a striving author, you have inspired me deeply and it greatly saddens me that you'll consider it appropriate to end your life artificially. Please don't do it.

That's it, I got nothing more. Just... let God take you when he sees fit, don't rush it.
fabioshui
New member
 
Posts: 1
Joined: Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:05 am

Postby pip » Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:29 am

Some interesting posts. Good points Mad. Its a battlefield of a debate to get into and i agree with Tony that its as good as banging a head against a brick wall to debate with new posters throwing in one comment. But still a topic worth talking about.
Personally i agree with Mad and pooh amongst others that the right to choose is important.
And I'm sorry for the situation Mad. Not good at all. :(
'There is no future for e-books, because they are not books. E-books smell like burned fuel.'
Ray Bradbury (RIP)
User avatar
pip
Member
 
Posts: 9382
Joined: Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:20 am
Location: KILDARE

Postby Bouncy Castle » Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:04 am

One very pertinent comment on that link above:


It's funny they won't let you go when you want.
But, they can withhold the drugs that would keep you alive.
Some are born great, some achieve greatness and some have greatness thrust upon them.

The rest of us are a bit crap.
User avatar
Bouncy Castle
Member
 
Posts: 11980
Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:08 pm
Location: London

Choosing to die

Postby Geoff Eldridge » Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:41 am

Terry you may (or may not) remember me as a voice from our childhood in Forty Green - And you may not get to see this - but I watched your programme with interest. My wife died six years ago after battling terminal cancer for two years. She would not have opted for an easier way out but even if she had the choice that fee of £10000 I heard quoted would have beyond us and many more in the lower income bracket.

Congratulations for gettine the debate opened up on TV - I'm on your side by the way.

(I know you've been Knighted and already had an OBE but I thought I ought to tell you that I've got an MBE - which isn't bad from the kids that played in Roundhead Wood all those years ago. We've got the set between us.)
Geoff Eldridge
New member
 
Posts: 1
Joined: Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:23 am
Location: South Pennines

Postby Jan Van Quirm » Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:22 pm

Hi to all the new guys and deep empathy for people's takes on this, even if they're anti-choice for themselves - just don't expect other people to be effected by that in the same way that Terry won't be effected by what you'd say to him on the subject.

I think it was very clear in the programme last night (I actually forgot it was on and so I've only just watched it on iPlayer :oops: ) that Terry hasn't actually made his mind up on whether he will do this himself - but he wants to have the unequivocal right to make that choice for himself in time. I'm going to comment fully in the thread we've had running in advance of this programme, but to all the new guys, whether you stay here or not, and whether or not you think Terry's a hero or a wimp for wanting this right to die do you really think it's right for rational, responsible people like Andrew and Peter to be forced to go to another country and die on a noisy industrial estate in a glorified portakabin (albeit a very nicely fitted out one with very kind 'escorts') just so there's little risk of their loved ones being prosecuted for helping them into death?

(((((hugs to MAD and to pooh)))))
Life should be lived well and make us strong enough to die, however we leave it, because that is something we ultimately have very little choice in, except, perhaps, for the time.
"Some men see things as they are and ask why. Others dream things that never were and ask why not.” George Bernard Shaw
User avatar
Jan Van Quirm
Member
 
Posts: 10518
Joined: Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:07 pm
Location: Dunheved, Kernow

Next

Return to Terry Pratchett

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests