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Postby Batty » Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:10 pm

Thank you, folks, for your input. :)

I still recall, though, that some time ago scientists stated that there were more stars in the sky than there are grains of sand on the Earth.
I still don't believe them.
Their hypothesis was based on a room full of scientists agreeing what a likely outcome was for a given question, and then using the majority opinion to conjecture what the next stage would be in the evaluation of the Heavens.
I don't think they took in to account Factor X - which is that they could be wrong and things don't always pan out as planned.
They also reasoned that space is infinite, with no proof that it actually is.

We are, of course, better off with scientists than we are without them. And I have reason to thank Marie Curie and other pioneering health professionals.
I still think that water isn't wet though! :wink:
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Postby Jan Van Quirm » Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:38 pm

it isn't - it's just sticky :twisted:
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Postby chris.ph » Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:55 pm

canyou buy dyhydratrated water :lol: just add water to rehydrate :lol: :lol:
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Postby Who's Wee Dug » Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:24 pm

<I still recall, though, that some time ago scientists stated that there were more stars in the sky than there are grains of sand on the Earth. >
Have you tried counting them to disprove the theory,either one. :wink:
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Postby Dotsie » Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:14 am

Batty wrote:I still recall, though, that some time ago scientists stated that there were more stars in the sky than there are grains of sand on the Earth.
I still don't believe them.
Their hypothesis was based on a room full of scientists agreeing what a likely outcome was for a given question, and then using the majority opinion to conjecture what the next stage would be in the evaluation of the Heavens.
I don't think they took in to account Factor X - which is that they could be wrong and things don't always pan out as planned.


Well, there are already an uncountable number of galaxies, as shown by the Hubble deep field images. And if you consider that a conservative estimate of the number of stars in our galaxy alone is around 200 billion, that means that there must be way, way more stars in the universe than grains of sand on Earth. Not just a few more. Trillions and trillions and trillions (etc) more.

They also reasoned that space is infinite, with no proof that it actually is.


Well if infinite means "no end to it" in terms of size, then this is correct. As matter and space are unique to our universe (there's no evidence to suggest to the contrary so why make guesses you can't back up?), then the universe is all there is & by definition, infinite. If you mean infinite in terms of age, then no-one knows the answer of course.

I still think that water isn't wet though! :wink:


You could be right about that. :wink:
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Postby Dotsie » Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:22 am

Jan Van Quirm wrote:I knew the radiotherapy aspect as my father may have to have some soon


I'm really sorry to hear that Jan, I hope he's OK :(

Although did they use radium on clock faces back then or afterwards, as I know some of the factory workers were also dropping like flies around that time, because they also were unaware of the ill effects?


This certainly happened whilst Marie Curie was still alive, but as she didn't patent her discoveries, anyone could use radium however they wished. But it was definitely known that radium caused tissue damage, so I can't believe they couldn't foresee that there could be problems. Scandalous stuff :?

So Im still convinced that Science is king in this particular instance


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Postby Jan Van Quirm » Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:56 pm

My dad's doing OK for now thanks Dotsie - :)

He only seems to take a turn for the worse when he goes to the GP's surgery, or to the hospital, as he seems to catch everything going but had to be there due to low this that and the other on various blood components. But then that's the NHS for you - to be fair they've been pretty good with scheduling treatment, although when he's been admitted we've been less than impressed with the standard of care on the ward.

Chemo is certainly not so beneficial on the picking up infections front, but then it's also reduced his cancer to half the size... He has a 2 month break on the cancer meds now, but radiotherapy may well be the next step. He's strong enough for now anyway which has to be good, despite the strong medicine
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Postby chris.ph » Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:03 pm

wish him the best from us :)
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Postby cols » Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:54 pm

Sorry to hear about your Dad Jan , Hope things improve for him
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Postby Batty » Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:33 am

Jan Van Quirm wrote:Chemo is certainly not so beneficial on the picking up infections front, but then it's also reduced his cancer to half the size... He has a 2 month break on the cancer meds now, but radiotherapy may well be the next step. He's strong enough for now anyway which has to be good, despite the strong medicine

I've been through chemo and radiotherapy, and depending on where the radiotherapy is targeted, you can burn.
My skin started turning black in one area, and so I can recommend Aquaeous cream if that happens. It's really cheap and comes in a big tub.
It could also make him really tired.

I wish him all the best, but the treatment is worth having.
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Postby Jan Van Quirm » Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:05 pm

Thanks for your good wishes all :) My dad's 75 and has had a relatively happy and healthy life (he gave up the fags about 25 years ago I think and was never more than a 20 a day man, sometimes much less as he worked around flammable materials as a signwriter/maker), so this is ironic in a way. All told we have time and maybe remission or reduction can happen, so from that PoV it's bringing the family together and that can't be bad.

Radiotherapy is a double-edged treatment of course and I've heard good and bad reports, but the experiences of the two people I've known personally who've received it (for a brain tumour and breast cancer) both died and the lady with breast cancer found the treatment very painful and distressing (with lots of burning as you say Batty) and so her last days were a real strain on her and truly terrible for her family. But people's experiences differ, so maybe it won't be so bad.

Chemo's progressed a little in terms of pain mitigation and dosing, but the effect on the immune system at this time of year (it was confirmed at the beginning of Dec last) has taken a heavy toll with all the nasty bugs going around and so he's been in hospital three times for almost a week every time since New Year with raised temperature and the low levels in his blood. So I'm grateful that scientists have and are still developing medicines and treatments but nothing seems to be consistently 100% successful for everyone. At my father's age of course I know a lot of people opt to let the disease take its natural course after going through the treatment 'menu' as it were... :(
I think that this is what will happen with dad eventually and that will be really hard on my mum. But it's a choice most people will understand even though there is always something to 'fight' for. Some cures are calculable in terms of how great a price you want to pay for what in the end is only a limited time. The decision can be very easy, but living with it is hard for some who are left.

So Science is definitely good so far as its allowed to be. Facts can always speak for themselves! :wink:
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Postby Catch-up » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:23 pm

Sorry to hear that your dad is having to go through so much at this time in his life Jan. :( It sounds like he has a wonderful family supporting him though! :D
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Postby Tonyblack » Sat Apr 11, 2009 5:14 pm

Hey I missed this (been otherwise occupied) - all the very best wishes from us both to your dad Jan.
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Postby Jan Van Quirm » Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:10 pm

*Runs around hugging everyone - messages passed on to dad* :D

Where did we get with the hoaxes anyway? :oops: One thing I'd like to know although it isn't a hoax really...

Does anyone know anybody who actually gets Viagra on prescription? :shock:

Yes - I've had 2 ads today, just in my spam can :lol:
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Postby chris.ph » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:36 am

yes i do my mate whos ina wheelchair gets it on script. it works as well his last wife left him coz of aduitery :lol: :lol:
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