Dotsie wrote:deldaisy wrote:Dotsie wrote:Don't you think that's true of all religious people? If they really believe in heaven, they can't possibly believe that atheists will get in, regardless of the life they've lead?
Not true Dots. My mum was very religious (quietly not the church type). My Dad was an absolute atheist. Mum was quietly confident that no matter what Dad said, she and he would end up in heaven together because her's was a forgiving god. and would forgive Dad for not believing He had NO way of arguing with that.
Emma Darwin was a bit gutted because not believing in God meant that Charles wouldn't get in. I think religious people often have issues with what will happen to them/their loved ones after they die, but then so do a lot of agnostics. This is why some sort of wishy-washy afterlife scenario was invented, and spiritual mediums are only too keen to keep this going. It's good that your mum found a way of coping, but really, it's still the "I'm guaranteed a spot" mentality.
Tonyblack wrote:But never mind not being able to design people properly, God also screwed up when it came to angels. Some of them stood up to him and they were banished as well.
captainmeme wrote:Arrgh... I've got to be pulled into this again...
Creationism is the same as Christianity; it puts emphasis on how God loves EVERYONE, not just 'me, me, me'. Therefore it is not anything like Capitalism.
Willem wrote:Still, some would say that organised religion at it's core is often about manipulating the gullible masses into doing what those in power say, ostensibly for the good of the religion as a whole but in reality mostly benefitting those in power.
poohcarrot wrote:...but if you're a creationist and guarenteed a place in heaven, while atheists will burn in hell, that obviously implies that creationists BELIEVE they are better.
meerkat wrote:Well, what about life on Earth actually being Hell and when we kick the mortal coil etc etc, we then pass on to a better existence?
I don't think anyone here has a problem with anyone else being religious. What some of us do have a problem with is people who rubbish our beliefs but don't have a reasonable alternative other than 'it's written in the Bible, therefore it must be right.'snowballs wrote:Wow religion, alot of good points here.
I wonder, why can people not believe in whatever they want, whatever god they want or live whatever lifestyle they want as long as they dont either hurt others (both mentally & physically) or force their views down others throats?
In my eyes, God said to the devil," ok I made the world and I made people what can you do to beat that".
The devil replied "ok then I've just invented money & organised religion."
Thing is that some members are religious and could possibly get hurt by members pulling what they believe in apart.
Religion be it right or wrong actually makes believers happy on the whole, gives them a sense of worth and belonging, why not let them feel happy have a sense of worth and feel they belong to something?.
Just a thought.
Tonyblack wrote:I'm a cynic I'm afraid and I always say that religion was invented when the first conman met the first sucker.
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