poohbcarrot wrote: "Imo made us clever enough to work out he doesn't exist." - Nation
Have you seen what happens if you give this the "Da Vinci Code" treatment?
IMO (God) = Text speak. "In My Opinion God"
So we have a book all about atheism written by a self-confessed atheist.
The book is littered with atheist comments (will supply you with some if requested). It also hails Darwin as the "greatest ever scientist". It not only mentions Richard Dawkins (author of the excellent "God Delusion"), but calls him "nice".
However, the icing on the cake is the fact that the stars in the cave dated back 31,000 years.
...I happen to have enjoyed Nation ( and love Small Gods) and yes I'm a creationist and strangley enough it doesn't hinder my capacity to appreciate a good book
My highlights for a book I've never read, but seems to be given a hell of a lot of credence for what is in the end only a work of fiction... the power of the printed word huh? And well done Cols and Pooh for having an intelligent and tolerant exchange.
Belief is not the same as faith I think. Some things should always be challenged, whilst others can be accepted quite easily - with a certain amount of evidence to back it up. Which is where faith is far more aetheriel as it requires belief without evidence... so it's more a matter of personal conviction that often requires the suspension of proof.
The scientific community accepted Darwin's theory of evolution after vicious and controversial argument over several years and it is still being challenged today. Darwin did not get everything right - certainly not continental drift for instance - although he recognised some things like how S. America fits onto Africa quite well, but in his day geology and vulcanism were very inexact sciences. Ditto Einstein whose famous theory was stunningly insightful in its day, but is now being redefined and challenged.
So is religion, but the basis of belief within it, is not necessarily dependent upon proof, but is dependent on what you can believe in. I once believed in a 'god of mercy', but if s/he does exist that's something that's very easy to reject on the basis of 'proof'. History establishes that a person called Jesus did indeed live in what is currently Israel and was crucified. Belief is a very strange thing and some 'proofs' work for a while but in the end we cannot be really sure what to trust - certainly not when most religious belief systems tell us not to kill each other and we still have wars 2,000 years later - or 1,400 years or "whatever" later...?
I don't really think Terry's an atheist necessarily - he's certainly a humanist which some people will say is the same thing. Even that has it's philosophical side and also doesn't ask you to believe in monkey gods; that although a sacred book tells you not to kill other people it's OK when those other people don't follow its teaching; or that the possibility of weapons of mass destruction in an unfriendly state means...... blah blah to infinity
You find a way to live your life and if you don't hurt anyone doing that then that's the best you can hope for - that and the right to decide for yourself what is worth
believing in - I'm quite fond of discs and magic actually...