The Colour of Magic Movie

Moderators: Jason, Toothy, Tonyblack

Postby Tonyblack » Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:18 pm

Byakuran wrote:
I didn't actually know there was a Going Postal film coming out... any news on who will be playing in it?? :?:
No news at all yet as far as I know. :(
"Goodness is about what you do. Not what you pray to."
User avatar
Tonyblack
Moderator
 
Posts: 29059
Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:29 pm
Location: Cardiff, Wales

Postby WannabeAngua » Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:02 pm

I enjoyed COM far more than Hogwatch, didn't like the guy playing teatime at all!!

David Jason will forever be inspector Frost to me, and I agree that he should be younger and thinner and more sad and morose.

And by the way, where the heck have I seen Tim Curry before?? It's totally slipped my mind and I wont be able to sleep before I remember it :?
There were no public health laws in Ankh-Morpork. It would be like installing smoke detectors in Hell.
- Feet of clay.
User avatar
WannabeAngua
Member
 
Posts: 928
Joined: Mon Dec 15, 2008 12:13 pm
Location: Norway

Postby Tonyblack » Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:51 pm

WannabeAngua wrote:
And by the way, where the heck have I seen Tim Curry before?? It's totally slipped my mind and I wont be able to sleep before I remember it :?
He's been in loads of things including The Rocky Horror Picture Show and The Muppets Treasure Island.

Here's his IMDB entry. :wink:
"Goodness is about what you do. Not what you pray to."
User avatar
Tonyblack
Moderator
 
Posts: 29059
Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:29 pm
Location: Cardiff, Wales

Postby WannabeAngua » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:09 pm

Oh dear gods, he has played in a LOT of bad movies hasn't he :shock:
I remember him from The three musketeers of course - thanks Tony, let me know next time you're in Oslo and I'll buy you a beer :wink:
There were no public health laws in Ankh-Morpork. It would be like installing smoke detectors in Hell.
- Feet of clay.
User avatar
WannabeAngua
Member
 
Posts: 928
Joined: Mon Dec 15, 2008 12:13 pm
Location: Norway

Postby Who's Wee Dug » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:51 pm

Yes he played the baddie in LEGEND with a young Tom Cruise in 85

plus the MUPPETS :lol:
He willnae tak' a drink! I think he's deid! , on the other hand though A Midgie in yir hand is worth twa up yir kilt.
User avatar
Who's Wee Dug
Member
 
Posts: 14949
Joined: Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:31 pm
Location: Stirlingshire, Scotland

Postby chris.ph » Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:46 pm

i enjoyed him as the baddie in legend well ott as normal with tim curry :lol:
measuring intelligence by exam results is like measuring digestion by turd length
User avatar
chris.ph
Member
 
Posts: 8697
Joined: Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:52 am
Location: swansea south wales

Postby feanor » Sun May 24, 2009 2:11 pm

Ayup All...

Even as a Newbie here i have to say i hate BOTH 'Movies' for the way the plots have been butchered for TV. Jason and Astin just don't work as Rincewind and Twoflower, and as he's mentioned in the post above, Tim Curry only gives a cardboard Cutout villain-for TV as Trymon.

The production values seemed good, the sets, costumes and Blue screen, and even MOST CG-I, (Liked A-tuin though, and missed Tethys, so much could have been done with his character onscreen), but it never ever got close to what it does in my head. Even though i understand we ALL have differing pictures in our heads... Jason and Aston just don't get to the characters at all. And Jasons Albert is just dire too...

I think the wizards suffer too much from Josh Kirby and Jake Kidbys stylisations. A bit like some elements of LOTR were merely 'action-versions' of Alan Lee/John Howes painting and drawings... good as they are...
I'm glad that all my problems have now Resolved down to where my next Banana is coming from...
User avatar
feanor
Member
 
Posts: 117
Joined: Sun May 24, 2009 9:54 am

Postby mspanners » Sun May 24, 2009 2:54 pm

Yep, Hogfather was good (alas a lot of the book was cut but such is life) but I feel it captured the essence of the book........... Colour of Magic was pants on so many levels........ wrong actors for the parts, Two Books crammed into one show with about 50 percent missing, story line altered almost beyond recognition and so on....... :(

And I am sure Vetinari (And I am assuming the tall thin chap with the small Dog who said "Don't let Me detain you." was Him) was Not in the early books.

Total Pants.
User avatar
mspanners
Member
 
Posts: 943
Joined: Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:46 pm
Location: Bridgwater Somerset

Postby Tonyblack » Sun May 24, 2009 3:28 pm

I'm not sure you're right about Vetinari not being in the early books. Terry has (I believe) stated that it is in fact Vetinari - albeit an early draft and not named.

He's not actually named until several books into the series, but Terry just hadn't developed him at that stage.
"Goodness is about what you do. Not what you pray to."
User avatar
Tonyblack
Moderator
 
Posts: 29059
Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:29 pm
Location: Cardiff, Wales

Postby Who's Wee Dug » Sun May 24, 2009 5:52 pm

Personally I am glad they were made regardless, I thought Hogfather was the better of the two, but that is not to say I didn't enjoy C.O.M. Afterall it's not as if they were Hollywood films with mega budgets. :roll:
He willnae tak' a drink! I think he's deid! , on the other hand though A Midgie in yir hand is worth twa up yir kilt.
User avatar
Who's Wee Dug
Member
 
Posts: 14949
Joined: Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:31 pm
Location: Stirlingshire, Scotland

Postby feanor » Sun May 24, 2009 5:55 pm

Ayup Tony...

Considering the Patrician and his 'methods', well, I'm glad I didn't meet him earlier... :wink:

At least now I've had a chance to think of some excuses...
I'm glad that all my problems have now Resolved down to where my next Banana is coming from...
User avatar
feanor
Member
 
Posts: 117
Joined: Sun May 24, 2009 9:54 am

Postby kakaze » Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:34 pm

mspanners wrote:And I am sure Vetinari (And I am assuming the tall thin chap with the small Dog who said "Don't let Me detain you." was Him) was Not in the early books.


The Patrician of Ankh-Morpork smiled, but with
his mouth only.
"The Hub Gate, you say?' he murmured.
The guard captain saluted smartly. "Aye, lord. We
had to shoot the horse before he would stop.'
'Which, by a fairly direct route, brings you here,'
said the Patrician, looking down at Rincewind.
"And what have you got to say for yourself?'
It was rumoured that an entire wing of the
Patrician's palace was filled with clerks who spent
their days collating and updating all the
information collected by their maSter's exquisitely organized
spy system. Rincewind didn't doubt it. He' glanced
towards the balcony that ran down one side of the
audience room. A sudden run, a nimble jump - a
sudden hail of crossbow quarrels. He shuddered.
The Patrician cradled his chins in a beringed
hand, and regarded the wizard with eyes as small
and hard as beads.
"Let me see,' he said. "Oathbreaking, the theft of a
horse, uttering false coinage - yes, I think it's the
Arena for you, Rincewind.'
This was too much.
"i didn't steal the horse! I bought it fairly!'
"But with false coinage. Technical theft, you see.'
"But those rhinu are solid gold!'
"Rhinu?' The Patrician rolled one of them around
in his thick fingers. "is that what they are called?
How interesting. But, as you point out, they are not
very similar to dollars . . .'
.Well, of course they're not-'
'Ah you admit it, then?'
Rincewind opened his mouth to speak, thought
better of it, and shut it again.
.Quite so. And on top of these there is, of course, the
moral obloquy attendant on the cowardly betrayal
of a visitor to this shore. For shame, Rincewind! ' The Patrician waved a
hand vaguely. The guards
behind Rincewind backed away, and their captain
took a few paces to the right. Rincewind suddenly
felt very alone.
It is said that when a wizard is about to die Death
himself turns up to claim him ( instead of delegating
the task to a subordinate, such as Disease or
Famine, as is usually the case). Rincewind looked
around nervously for a tall figure in black( wizards,
even failed wizards, have in addition to rods and
cones in their eyeballs the tiny octagons that enable
them to see into the far octarine, the basic colour of
which all other colours are merely pale shadows
impinging on normal four-dimensional space. It is
said to be a sort of fluorescent greenish-yellow
purple).
Was that a flickering shadow in the corner?
'Of course,' said the Patrician, "i could be
merciful.' The shadow disappeared. Rincewind looked up
an expression of insane hope on his face.
'Yes?' he said.
The Patrician waved a hand again. Rincewind
saw the guards leave the chamber. Alone with the
"lord of the twin cities, he almost wished they
would come back.
"Come hither, Rincewind,' said the Patrician. He
indicated a bowl of savouries on a low onyx table by
the throne. "Would you care for a crystallised
jellyfish? No'. "Um ' said RinceWind,
"Now I want you to listen very carefully to what I
am about to say,' said the Patrician amiably,
'otherwise you will die. In an interesting fashion.
Over a period. Please stop fidgetting like that.
"Since you are a wizard of sorts, you are of course
aware that we live upon a world shaped, as it were,
like a disc? And that there is said to exist, towards
the far rim, a continent which though small is equal
in weight to all the mighty landmasses in this
hemicircle? And that this, according to ancient legend, is
because it is largely made of gold?'
Rincewind nodded. Who hadn't heard of the
Counterweight Continent? Some sailors even
believed the childhood tales and sailed in search of it.
Of course, they returned either empty handed or not
at all. Probably eaten by giant turtles, in the
opinion of more serious mariners. Because, of
course, the Counterweight Continent was nothing
more than a solar myth.
"it does, of course, exist,' said the Patrician
"Although it is not made of gold, it is true that gold is
a very common metal there. Most of the mass is
made up by vast deposits of octiron deep within the
crust. Now it will be obvious to an incisive mind like
yours that the existence of the Counterweight
Continent poses a deadly threat to our people
here' he paused, looking at Rincewind's open
mouth. He sighed. He said, do you by some chance
fail to follow me?'
"Yarrg, said Rincewind. He swallowed, and
licked his lips. "i mean, no. I mean - well, gold . . .'
"i see,' said the Patrician sweetly. "You feel,
perhaps, that it would be a marvellous thing to go to
the Counterweight Continent and bring back a
shipload of gold?'
Rincewind had a feeling that some sort of trap
was being set.
''Yes?' he ventured.
'And if' every man on the shores of the Circle Sea
had a mountain of gold of his own? Would that be a
good thing? What would happen? think carefully.'
Rincewind's brow furrowed. He thought. "We'd all
be rich?' The way the temperature fell at his remark told
him that it was not the correct one.
"i may as well tell you, Rincewind, that there is
some contact between the Lords of the Circle Sea
and the Emperor of the Agatean Empire, as it is
Styled,' the Patrician went on. it is only very slight
There is little common ground between us. We have
nothing they want, and they have nothing we can
afford. It is an old Empire, Rincewind. Old and
cunning and cruel and very, very rich. So we
exchange fraternal greetings by albatross mail. At
infrequent intervals.
"one such letter arrived this morning. A subject of
the Emperor appears to have taken it into his head
to visit our city. It appears he wishes to look at it.
Only a madman would possibly undergo all the
privationS of crossing the Turnwise Ocean in order
to merely look at anything. However.
he landed this morning. He might have met a
great hero, or the cunningest of thieves, or some
wise and great sage. He met you. He has employed
you as a guide. You will be a guide, Rincewind, to
thiS looker, this Twoflower. You will see that' he
returns home with a good report of our little
homeland. What do you say to that?'
"Er. Thank you, lord,' said Rincewind miserably.
"There iS another point, of course. It would be a
tragedy should anything untoward happen to our
little visitor. It would be dreadful if he were to die,
for example. Dreadful for the whole of our land,
because the Agatean Emperor looks after his own
and could certainly extinguish us at a nod. A mere
nod. And that would be dreadful for you, Rincewind,
because in the weeks that remained before the
Empire's huge mercenary fleet arrived certain of
my servants would occupy themselves about your
person in the hope that the avenging captains, on
their arrival, might find their anger tempered by
the sight of your still-living body. There are certain
spells that can prevent the life departing from a
body,be it never so abused, and- i see by your face
that understanding dawns?'
'Yarrg.'
"I beg your pardon?'
"Yes, lord. I'll, er, see to it, I mean, I'll endeavour to
see, I mean, well, I'll try to look after him and see he
comes to no harm.' And after that I'll get a job
juggling snowballs through Hell, he added bitterly
in the privacy of his own skull.
"Capital! I gather already that you and Twoflower
are on the best of terms. An excellent beginning
When he returns safely to his homeland you will not
find me ungrateful. I shall probably even dismiss
the charges against you. Thank you, Rincewind.
You may go.'
Rincewind decided not to ask for the return of his
five remaining rhinu. He backed away, cautiously.
"oh, and there is one other thing,' the Patrician
said, as the wizard groped for the door handles.
"Yes, lord?' he replied, with a sinking heart.
"i'm sure you won't dream of trying to escape from
your obligations by fleeing the city. I judge you to be
a born city person. But you may be sure that the
lords of the other cities will be appraised of these
conditions by nightfall.'
"i assure you the thought never even crossed my
mind, lord.'
"indeed? Then if I were you I'd sue my face for slander"


He's not named, but it sounds line Vetinari to me, particularly the "It was rumoured that an entire wing of the Patrician's palace was filled with clerks who spent their days collating and updating all the information collected by their maSter's exquisitely organized spy system."

And, personally, "Two Flower" sounds Asian to me too. It's also supported by the message that the patrictian receives from Nine Turning mirrors (which also sounds Asian to me), the Grand Vizier of the Golden Empire:

Gorphal picked up the parchment and raised one eyebrow slightly when he saw the familiar ideograms of the Golden Empire.


Overall, the only things that I didn't like was that the plot seemed kinda slow, Twoflower seemed too goofy, and Death seemed too morose to me.

Joe
kakaze
Member
 
Posts: 535
Joined: Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:42 am

Postby Tonyblack » Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:43 pm

Welcome to the site Joe! :D

I'm certain the patrician in the early books is Vetinari - Terry has said that's the case, and he should know. :lol: He's just not as fully developed as he is later.
"Goodness is about what you do. Not what you pray to."
User avatar
Tonyblack
Moderator
 
Posts: 29059
Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:29 pm
Location: Cardiff, Wales

Postby Jan Van Quirm » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:31 pm

Hi there Joe

In Sourcery the Patrician was turned into a lizard and the Librarian looke after him and his little dog - Wuffles? - so that must have been Vetinari. The Patrician in CoM & LF was more a 'Blofeld' type and ate candied echinoderms... could well still have been Vetinari but in Nightwatch didn't we read something about Vetinari's predecessor or the one before him had a fondness for sea urchins? :?
"Some men see things as they are and ask why. Others dream things that never were and ask why not.” George Bernard Shaw
User avatar
Jan Van Quirm
Member
 
Posts: 10598
Joined: Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:07 pm
Location: Dunheved, Kernow

Postby mspanners » Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:49 pm

That is the point, in most of the books Vetinari is a tall thin man with a vampire like appearance who thinks water and bread a meal, whose build was described as so thin an assassins blade would be hard to find its target......(Watered down Hammer Horror type, in the art work to.. the chap who played the Patrican in the TV Colour of Magic was spot on for casting as Vetinari in my view)

BUT in the book The Colour of Magic the patrician was a short man with double chins and beringed finger who, as stated, feasted on crystalised sea foods and treats.

He did have some of the inane Humor of Vetinari and the dark clarks but any despot would have secret Policemen.

And I can not see Vetinari threatening Rincewind with torture to placate an invasion force... IF Vetinari were to have someone murdered He would have it done quietly...... I just do not see him as the mad torturing type.... Well not physical torture anyway, Mental torture yes but not disembowelment surly.
User avatar
mspanners
Member
 
Posts: 943
Joined: Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:46 pm
Location: Bridgwater Somerset

PreviousNext

Return to TV, film, theatre

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 2 guests