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Postby Bouncy Castle » Mon Aug 03, 2009 12:01 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... es-UK.html

More from Terry on how he'd like to go.
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Postby Batty » Mon Aug 03, 2009 12:18 pm

I read the article, Bouncy, and I can understand his viewpoint. He doesn't say if his wife or daughter agree with him though, and their opinion also counts.
His idea of how and where to die does seem comforting, though.
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Postby Tina a.k.a.SusanSto.Helit » Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:23 pm

Bouncy Castle wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1203622/Ill-die-endgame-says-Terry-Pratchett-law-allow-assisted-suicides-UK.html

More from Terry on how he'd like to go.


I read the article very carefully, and I agree. I even went so bold as to make a comment. I am going to stop typing until I can stop crying. I truly love Terry (from afar, and not in a creepy stalker way) and I hope that his wishes are kept true. I want to go the same way when I can no longer care for myself and others are burdened with my needs. AND NO DAMN PEG FEEDING!!!!! Freaking Barbaric that is. :evil:

Thank you Bouncy for making this available for me to find. :hug:
Aha! So, Bob's yer uncle... very clever.
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Postby Trish » Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:18 am

It is a well-thought out and intelligent article.
But.

See, my dad's been dead 14 years. There is not much I wouldn't give to have him here.

He didn't die of old age (which is kind of relative) or a rampant disease, but of incompetent doctoring.
An anesthesiologist who had not bothered to read his chart gave him Whichever Anesthesia before an operation and that anesthesia induced a stroke. Oh, he woke up. But he couldnt' talk, couldnt' walk. Wait --Daddy did so talk, he told a nurse to "piss off."

My father never swore, he must have been pretty goddam mad. I was.

I was disgusted at the level of care in the hospital and hospice both.
It's all about making the family feel better and to hell with the patient.

What you see at 4pm in a hospice is NOT what happens at 1am, believe it. I was pregnant that summer and too miserable (and fat) to sleep, so I'd go read to my dad at whatever time. When they said '24 hour care,' they lied.


Warehouseing people is NO answer. Keeping people alive because they have good insurance is NO answer. But hey, this is the US and we get that. A lot.

Nor is the US alone in substandard doctors. I am sure there are more than enough of them anywhere. My family just managed to get a 2-for-1 special on idiot doctors.


That's the trouble with medical (and legal and teaching) standards: they are set to the lowest level of competency. So anyone living outside a teaching hospital ends up with the guy who graduated 312 out of his class of 315. Yet, he is deemed "competent."

Oh, bullshit.


Yeah, I do agree with Sir Terry's views. Wholeheartedly.
I do not agree that legislation is the way to attain that goal. Any time the legislative process is set in motion, graft seeps in and special interest groups clamor for their needs to be met first.

I dont' know that there is one true resolution. Nursing homes are bullshit; they exist so people do not have the inconvenience of caring for those who cared for them, which is pure selfishness.


You're supposed to take care of your children, not leave them in day care.
If you can't do that, dont' have children.
You're supposed to take care of your parents when they get old and need help because they took care of you when you couldnt' figure out how to tie your shoes, let alone use a toilet.

So, yeah, I have a hate-hate thing going toward hospices and nursing homes.

A bit of help at the end? In a nursing home, a stranger, a nurse's aide with 2 weeks training, is not going to "help" anyone. An RN, maybe? God forbid, an MD should show at inconvenient time, say, more than once a week.


The lady who said she was "saving her pills" had it right. Dying quietly is an intensely personal decision, one NO medical personnel is qualified to make.

But, then I'd give anything to have my dad back, so what do I know.
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Postby Batty » Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:11 pm

Incompetent doctors are universal and cause devastation to family members that are left behind.
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Postby Tonyblack » Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:09 pm

Thank the gods that not all care homes are like that. After my dad had a stoke and became pretty much completely paralyzed we found a nursing home for him where the staff went out of their way to make him as comfortable and happy as possible. Yes, it was our worry that this was only for our show when we were there, but compared to how he'd been treated in the hospital (where he was pretty much ignored), the staff at the nursing home really made him happy in the short time he had left.

Really sorry to hear of your experiences Trish. :(
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Postby Tina a.k.a.SusanSto.Helit » Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:11 pm

Batty wrote:Incompetent doctors are universal and cause devastation to family members that are left behind.
Image Image Image ((((Trish)))), I'm sending you lots of hugs.


Bingo, I was misdiagnosed for 13 years and castigated by the asshat of a doctor who said twas all my own doing and that I was just an addict trying to get pills. My father was misdiagnosed with same disease and died 10 years ago. He had no insurance so even if he was diagnosed it would not have made a difference.

NOT ALL DOCTORS GOT A'S IN SCHOOL, OR EVEN MADE IT TO EVERY CLASS!!!!! Some could give a rip less about their patients. :evil: :evil:
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Postby Jan Van Quirm » Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:31 am

I hear you Trish and Tina and Tony - my brother-in-law was 'mis-assessed' when his prostate cancer returned after an 18 month remission. When he was taken into hospital finally they still were treating him for something else when he had exactly the same symptoms as he had during the 1st bout and by the time they finally concluded then he was out of remission and that the cancer had metastased like mad they even managed to cock up the tubes and drains they put into him. Less than a week afterwards he was raving and incoherent as one of the drains had come out internally and he was flooding himself with toxins for several days before some nurse decided to check why nothing was coming out of one of the bloody tubes :evil:

By this time Malcolm wasn't taking food anyway and 'fortunately' he was transferred to a better cancer-specialising hospital where they scanned him properly to confirm that there was no hope whatsoever but at least had him properly monitored and medicated so in the 2 days he was there he was helped to have a proper shower for the first time in weeks, which simple little thing made him feel much better even though he was by then so weak and tired. He was transferred to a local hospice and basically went to sleep for a week before finally dying in peace and well cared for. My sister-in-law was allowed in any time she wanted and has nothing but praise for the staff there. Before he died Malcolm had asked Pete to see 'if anything could be done' about his earlier treatment within their local GP/hospital - we were going to but by the time we'd got the funeral over with Janine was so wiped out we couldn't put her through the rigmarole and futility of a negligence/incompetency case so we left it.

My father's going through some of this neglect now though not quite as badly as we luckily have relatives who work in the hospital in one of the better run wards, so we're watching for anything going wrong all the time. It's certainly not a case the odd hospital here and there - it's all over and I don't even blame the medical staff too much, 'cos the whole of the NHS and the private sector is based being 'managed' for the lowest bloody cost margins including equipment and adequately trained staff.

We'd have a brilliant health sector if everyone wasn't so inconveniently sick all the time :cry:
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Postby Trish » Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:31 pm

Tina a.k.a.SusanSto.Helit wrote:
Batty wrote:Incompetent doctors are universal and cause devastation to family members that are left behind.
Image Image Image ((((Trish)))), I'm sending you lots of hugs.


Bingo, I was misdiagnosed for 13 years and castigated by the asshat of a doctor who said twas all my own doing and that I was just an addict trying to get pills. My father was misdiagnosed with same disease and died 10 years ago. He had no insurance so even if he was diagnosed it would not have made a difference.

NOT ALL DOCTORS GOT A'S IN SCHOOL, OR EVEN MADE IT TO EVERY CLASS!!!!! Some could give a rip less about their patients. :evil: :evil:



But here's the thing --the ones who skipped and got D's still have to repay their student loans.
So, they need to make large money. Medicaid and Medicare are full of "approved" docs who accept nothing-but because it's an assured paycheck and to hell with their patients.

My aunt lives in Co Wicklow. She gets a visiting nurse 3 times a week. An acupunturist bi-weekly.
A few years ago, Aunt Nellie spent 2 weeks in a nursing home near Howth and actually got better!

Difference? Irish gov't subsidizes their med students.
US med schools don't want to hear about subsidies, only tuition increases.
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Postby Trish » Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:37 pm

Tonyblack wrote:Thank the gods that not all care homes are like that.


No, Tony, nursing homes aren't all like that, but most are and that is the reality.
Particularly in the US. Why? Private for-profit corps, patient funding.
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Postby Tonyblack » Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:01 pm

Trish wrote:
Tonyblack wrote:Thank the gods that not all care homes are like that.


No, Tony, nursing homes aren't all like that, but most are and that is the reality.
Particularly in the US. Why? Private for-profit corps, patient funding.
That's always going to be the case with for-profit unfortunately. making profits and healthcare really do not mix. :(
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Postby chris.ph » Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:23 pm

i would be dead if it wasnt for the nhs,but i do work in the hospitals in my home area doing maintenance so i know the tricks they try to pull the one the nurses pull is mrs smith needs attention which means the tea is ready.
most of the cleaners know me coz i plague them for cleaning stuff when we are working in the hospitals so when i go in to hospital the cleaners normally spend longer around my ward or room so they can have a chat therefore cleaner room :lol:
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Postby Tonyblack » Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:27 pm

chris.ph wrote:i would be dead if it wasnt for the nhs,but i do work in the hospitals in my home area doing maintenance so i know the tricks they try to pull the one the nurses pull is mrs smith needs attention which means the tea is ready.
most of the cleaners know me coz i plague them for cleaning stuff when we are working in the hospitals so when i go in to hospital the cleaners normally spend longer around my ward or room so they can have a chat therefore cleaner room :lol:
Gods help you if your name is Mrs Smith and you really do need attention. :shock:
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Postby Tonyblack » Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:19 pm

"Goodness is about what you do. Not what you pray to."
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Postby Tina a.k.a.SusanSto.Helit » Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:47 pm

well, perhaps I shall have my sister load it onto a flash drive and send it to me. it would take a week to load his last wish. 7 1/2 min at 24kbps.
Aha! So, Bob's yer uncle... very clever.
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