Religions say that suicide and Euthanasia is way to the hell

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Religions say that suicide and Euthanasia is way to the hell

Postby Evergreen » Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:40 am

Islam and Christiany say that suiciders and ppl who died by euthanasia is going to hell - even if they was good and didnt make anything bad.

i think euthanasia is best way to die,but i guess some of Terry Pratchett fans - believe in God and some of them are christians.

I wonder what they think about that euthanasia,suicide and Terry Pratchett chose about euthanasia.

Also i wanna ask - anyone know what does Sir Terry Pratchett think about that "suciders go to hell" thing in religion? And what is Terry Pratchett religion? I cant find this in google on my native language.

I know some ppl quote Terry Pratchett words about atheists "atheist is guy who hates God because God doesnt exist" - I dont know really Terry Pratchett said this words or not?

(Sorry for my bad english)
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Postby Tonyblack » Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:44 am

Terry Pratchett describes himself as a Humanist. It's clear from his books that he doesn't believe in organised religion and he almost certainly doesn't believe in a God Creator figure.

I'm pretty sure he doesn't believe in Hell either, so he doesn't have to worry about going there.
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Postby Bouncy Castle » Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:45 am

You mean Birmingham? :wink:
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Postby Tonyblack » Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:48 am

I believe in Birmingham - I've been there. Now if I was told I'd get sent to Birmingham for committing suicide, that would be a real deterrent. :shock: :lol:
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Postby meerkat » Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:08 pm

Bouncy Castle wrote:You mean Birmingham? :wink:


but...but... the Convention is at Birmingham in 2012! :shock: I don;t want to go to Hell. People give me that option all the time!
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Postby Tonyblack » Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:10 pm

The convention is on the Road to Hell, but not actually in it. :wink:
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Postby Dotsie » Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:11 pm

You can tell by the good intentions paving slabs.
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Postby Quatermass » Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:23 pm

Dotsie wrote:You can tell by the good intentions paving slabs.


:lol:

Well, might as well put my tuppence worth in. I personally think suicide is one of the worst possible decision someone can make. As I have doubts about the existence of any kind of afterlife, I personally feel that it is better to experience for as long as possible than to cease to be.

I can understand actual euthanasia, I would just prefer it to be an absolute last resort, for those for whom there is no hope of a quality of life. In fact, with some people, degenerative illness has pretty much killed the person they once were, and euthanasia is merely the coup de grace.
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Postby meerkat » Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:53 pm

Dotsie wrote:You can tell by the good intentions paving slabs.


Oooh, it'll be an education then!
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Postby Tonyblack » Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:49 pm

It goes like this: organised religions promise that if you live a good life, believe what they tell you and do what you are told, you'll be rewarded after you die. As this is impossible to prove, they can promise whatever they like.

So then believers say to themselves - if life after death is so good, then why wait? I'll just end my life and get on with enjoying the afterlife.

Organised religions say - Damn! We hadn't thought of that. We don't want to encourage that sort of thinking or we'll lose all our supporters. If we don't have any supporters then we're buggered.

So they come up with the idea that taking your own life is a sin and if you do it then you will be thrown into the pits of fire for all eternity.

Phew! That was a close one!!!! :P
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Postby Quatermass » Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:58 pm

Tonyblack wrote:It goes like this: organised religions promise that if you live a good life, believe what they tell you and do what you are told, you'll be rewarded after you die. As this is impossible to prove, they can promise whatever they like.

So then believers say to themselves - if life after death is so good, then why wait? I'll just end my life and get on with enjoying the afterlife.

Organised religions say - Damn! We hadn't thought of that. We don't want to encourage that sort of thinking or we'll lose all our supporters. If we don't have any supporters then we're buggered.

So they come up with the idea that taking your own life is a sin and if you do it then you will be thrown into the pits of fire for all eternity.

Phew! That was a close one!!!! :P


Nice bit of theological deduction there. :)
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Postby Jan Van Quirm » Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:14 pm

:lol:

There's a distinction between suicide and euthanasia though it can be pretty thin at times. The 'devil' is in the detail as always - euthanasia is something that has to be planned and in most cultures notified and, as people are saying something that is done when there are few or no alternatives. It's a reasoned decision in other words and will normally take some account of the wishes, if not the actually the consent of those closest to the person wanting to die.

Suicide, whilst it may be planned is not generally something that people discuss or if they do, is something that is usually not reasoned and will be resisted by most people to the extent that they will try to prevent their friend or family member from trying to do the deed because it's clearly 'wrong' for whatever reason. Generally suicide is totally irrational and/or unjustifiedon the part of the person wanting to take their own life, because they are incapable of seeing any other route for their life to take, despite being ostensibly 'healthy' for a given value of healthy.

Because of the stigma and very often the secrecy in which suicides are carried out it is shocking and hurtful for those the person leaves behind as it can be seen as a form of rejection and abandonment as well as desperation. This is the true reasoning behind the stand that religious bodies put up against suicide because it does literally devastate families and the larger social circle, not least because it often involves some extreme form of violence to ensure success.
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Postby Pearwood » Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:42 pm

My main problem with euthanasia is the more socially accepted it is the closer we're getting to having blinking lifeclocks embedded in our palms. :wink:

I also don't like that by nature it involves other people. Having someone else (particularly a loved one) kill you justs seems like way too much pressure to put on anyone. The alternative is having a paid professional do it which doesn't sit easy with me either.
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Postby raisindot » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:49 pm

Jan Van Quirm wrote::lol:

Because of the stigma and very often the secrecy in which suicides are carried out it is shocking and hurtful for those the person leaves behind as it can be seen as a form of rejection and abandonment as well as desperation. This is the true reasoning behind the stand that religious bodies put up against suicide because it does literally devastate families and the larger social circle, not least because it often involves some extreme form of violence to ensure success.


I don't buy that. Most organized religions historically have not given a hoot about the welfare of the families and larger social circles of those who have died. What they do get all gnarly about is the idea that life is a gift from the Deity, and to take one's own life is the equivalent of returning the gift. The clergy who run the show believe that the Deity puts a black mark on their spiritual record for every member of the flock who decides to end life on their own terms.

In the view of organized religions, only the Deity is allowed to determine when one's life can end, even if the end involves torture, disease, incapacitation, starvation, or any other horrible condition for which death would normally be a release. And the Deity is fine with what is essentially suicide if it's done for the right reasons--for example, strapping a bomb on yourself and blowing it up in a marketplace if it's done in the name of that Deity.
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Postby Dotsie » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:38 pm

Or charging into battle to chop up heathens. Organised religions have very strange ideas about what is and isn't a sin. What you eat and when at one end of the spectrum, who you can kill at the other. And sex somewhere in the middle.
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