2012 DW Convention ~ Cripple Mr. Onion Card School

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How do we theme the Discworld Deck? (re-read 1st post please)

Option A ~ Regional
5
14%
Option B ~ Suit associated (match character to hearts etc)
1
3%
Option C ~ Grouped by Series
13
37%
Option D ~ Ranked characters (Death = Ace)
11
31%
Option E ~ Inclusive/Random (all 54 character cards)
3
9%
Option F ~ something else? Suggest something then clever clogs!
2
6%
 
Total votes : 35

Postby deldaisy » Wed Dec 08, 2010 4:19 pm

HOLY CRAP Myst! What are you working on???? That scared the bejessus out of me.... I have to go to bed in a few. Thanks for the nightmare! :shock:
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Postby mystmoon » Wed Dec 08, 2010 4:35 pm

rotoscoping is when you animate over the top of live action footage, so that is my sister dancing
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Postby Jan Van Quirm » Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:33 pm

Jeff - it's the suit for the Death book series (ie ones in which he doesn't turn up just to trim the spirit away) and yes they share ToT with the History Monks, but you could argue that the History Monks have their own series with Small Gods and Nightwatch too, although they're more your oriental holistic heroes in that they share the top billing with other series. Lobsang is only in ToT and he's got inferred jolly rights with Susan, so he simply belongs more than Lu for now anyway... :wink:

I'm sure we're gonna have this debate with the Watch as well, but they're a stronger team in that they keep getting new recruits and are anyway the biggest series cast list. For now as we're getting distinct groups together for Witches, Watch, Wizards and Death & associates and the artists have the top option of suits based on the principals for those series to consider. The history monks are great fun and I'm sure we'll get to them pretty quickly once we've had a practice with the method :D

We're gonna have some random 'spares' going in as our artists are having a tough time deciding who to exclude more than include but I think I can make the templates mix and match for the face cards anyway in the end - they'll have the same template as the number cards so we'll maybe end up with full character deck for the traditional playing cards.

I'd rather like to try for a full tarot deck as well, so for the Major Arcana for that there's several power cards that Lu-Tze will be perfect for (Heirophant, Hermit, Temperance, The Chariot for starters) and the trad cards also translate to Wands (clubs), Coins/Pentacles (diamonds), Cups/Chalices (hearts) and Swords (spades) so we have plenty of heirarchy to apply different options and characters to - or completely random or tailored. But that's getting ahead of ourselves :wink:

Mystmoon - no worries with getting the artwork in. Jane can't start yet either until schools out so there's not going to be any vicious deadlines for this :D That is one scary pic though! :shock:
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Postby mystmoon » Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:35 pm

hehe, it dances for me! :twisted: i think this animation course is doing bad things to my brain...
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Postby ShadowNinjaCat » Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:40 pm

Your course pictures scare me :shock: Whose dot eyes....
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Postby BatrickPatrick » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:33 pm

I got your message :D

I might be able to help out with this over Christmas holidays when I don't have course work to do...

I voted for ranked but I think the grouping by series idea would be good too.

What's been decided so far? I'm way to lazy to read seven pages.
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Postby Penfold » Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:46 pm

Jan Van Quirm wrote:I'd rather like to try for a full tarot deck as well, so for the Major Arcana for that there's several power cards that Lu-Tze will be perfect for (Heirophant, Hermit, Temperance, The Chariot for starters) and the trad cards also translate to Wands (clubs), Coins/Pentacles (diamonds), Cups/Chalices (hearts) and Swords (spades) so we have plenty of heirarchy to apply different options and characters to - or completely random or tailored. But that's getting ahead of ourselves :wink:

Since I'm not involved in this I thought I would just add my ha'pence worth; has anyone considered a 'Top Trumps' set? :wink:
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Postby Jane » Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:19 pm

Whoa, full tarot? That's like 70 something cards....how many of those are face cards? :o

I guess if we finish the regular deck, we might do some extras just for personal entertainment that could be incorporated into another.
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Postby mystmoon » Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:27 pm

we could always do a Cripple Mr Onion set, with 8 suits rather than 4
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Postby Jan Van Quirm » Wed Dec 08, 2010 11:14 pm

Sorry to alarm you Jane - :oops: Tarot and the rest are long term and if people want to carry on making sets. :wink: Let's concentrate on getting this ordinary deck of 54 done so we get the method and then we can be looser when we've got the templates working.

OK this is the back design template that's good for all the cards

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and the finalised (tarted up) backs :P

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I'm going with ordinary outer corners rather than rounded ones for the whole lot because you need 'specialist' cutters for that and so it wouldn't be great for home printing :)
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Postby Jan Van Quirm » Wed Dec 08, 2010 11:34 pm

OK BP :D

So far the only practical things we've got done are the back design template above and the face design template HERE on the previous page (p.6) for the courts and ace front. These are both 21/2 actual card size of 60mm x 87mm.

We're doing Option C with a view to D in that we're trying to look at the pecking order within the suits so with the Death series Mystmoon looking at Death for the Ace, Death of Rats for the Jack and Susan and either Lobsang or Mort for the King and Queen which could have Susan as the King as she's more valuable than Mort or Lobsang.

Jane wants the Watch and has ideas for the Jokers as well and Bikkit has the choice of Wizards or Witches as Cheery doesn't mind what she does. I'm sure there'll be bit and pieces for you to pick up.

I've done some back designs with variations on 1 theme so if you have a better idea then go for it using the template. :) There's also the number cards which I'm picking up as they're not going to be characters (for now anyway unless people get very carried away :lol: ) so they'll be more graphicky, although I'm looking to maybe ringing a few changes perhaps to Discify them depending on how bored/busy I get over Xmas... :P
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Postby DaveC » Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:26 am

Penfold wrote:
Jan Van Quirm wrote:I'd rather like to try for a full tarot deck as well, so for the Major Arcana for that there's several power cards that Lu-Tze will be perfect for (Heirophant, Hermit, Temperance, The Chariot for starters) and the trad cards also translate to Wands (clubs), Coins/Pentacles (diamonds), Cups/Chalices (hearts) and Swords (spades) so we have plenty of heirarchy to apply different options and characters to - or completely random or tailored. But that's getting ahead of ourselves :wink:

Since I'm not involved in this I thought I would just add my ha'pence worth; has anyone considered a 'Top Trumps' set? :wink:


Awesome idea! Why has that ot been done yet?
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Postby Verns » Thu Dec 09, 2010 3:58 pm

Jan Van Quirm wrote: We're doing Option C with a view to D in that we're trying to look at the pecking order within the suits so with the Death series Mystmoon looking at Death for the Ace, Death of Rats for the Jack and Susan and either Lobsang or Mort for the King and Queen which could have Susan as the King as she's more valuable than Mort or Lobsang.

I've done some back designs with variations on 1 theme so if you have a better idea then go for it using the template.


Absolutely love your back design, Jan - the antique one rocks!

I love Lobsang and Lu-Tze - Thief of Time is one of my favourites - and although I sort of get the History Monks' connection with Death (and certainly get Lobsang's connection with Susan :wink: ), I think the court cards will work best if there's a simple logic, rather than our DW-influenced one! So, for me, Death has to be Ace, Mort the King, Susan the Queen and Death of Rats the Jack. Yes, I know Susan is a more central character and I'm arguing against every feminist bone in my body :roll: , but it's just logical to have the only female character in this quartet being the Queen.

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Postby Cheery » Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:05 pm

Wow, I don't need to even continue with my card-back design, yours are just too awesome! :D I like the third one (the antique one?) the best!
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Postby Jane » Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:14 pm

I've one last round of exams to go through before the holidays!
And that's today. :( I can probably start making design sketches tomorrow (durr, time zones - I don't know when that is for you guys).
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