My life, my death, my choice...

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Postby Tina a.k.a.SusanSto.Helit » Sun Feb 07, 2010 8:06 pm

I know about "covert illness". My Graves is so advanced that it affects me a lot, inside, and outside it just looks to people that I am overweight and don't move a lot. Unless I die in my sleep, I hope to be able to make the transition in my own manner of choosing. I hope that the civilised world will make the right choices soon.
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Postby Jan Van Quirm » Sun Feb 07, 2010 8:26 pm

(((hugs)))
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Postby Cheery » Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:43 am

I just wanted to say that I agree with you all and I hope assisted suicide becomes legal and not only in the uk. Even in Switzerland many people still object. They say things like "it's unnessecary" or "It's inhumain". I'd like to ask: What's inhumain? Letting someone who is in pain die or force him to live against his will?

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Postby Mysticsypher » Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:50 pm

Big hugs from me too Tina.


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Postby Penfold » Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:15 pm

Tina: Big hugs from me too! Image

Cheery wrote:Even in Switzerland many people still object. They say things like "it's unnessecary" or "It's inhumain". I'd like to ask: What's inhumain? Letting someone who is in pain die or force him to live against his will?
In the UK, if someone deliberately left an animal in pain or incapacitated they would end up in court charged with cruelty. Why aren't humans afforded the same degree of consideration and dignity of animals? I think someone said something like this in another thread but I think its worth repeating.
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Postby Marianne » Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:22 pm

Indeed Penfold. And big hugs for Tina too.

Some people do object in Switzerland - but the main thing is that the Law is with the sufferer and his/her family. Sadly, the topic of so-called 'death tourism'
is increasingly objected to. It is tragic that people have to come here to die, instead of staying in their own home, in the Uk or elsewhere.
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Postby Mysticsypher » Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:02 pm

Well said Penfold.

We are so much kinder to our animals. My family had a dog a good few years ago who came down with a brain disease that caused him to lose the full use of his hind legs. On having long discussions with our vet and hearing the long term effects, we made the difficult choice to let him go.

The thing that decided it for my Dad was hearing that he was in pain that to keep him out of pain, he would be pretty much doped up all the time and have a very poor quality of life.

We made that choice for him. I like to think that he would have made the same choice.

I think that the majority of people who have ever had a pet that they have loved and adored has been in that situation. So why can't they have the same feelings to those in the same or similar situation where the only difference is their species?

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Postby Cheery » Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:27 pm

I think the simple reason is the difference between animal and human. A human life for us is more worth than the life of an animal so people find it easier to let go of a suffering animal. A human, even if he's suffering, we'd rather keep him alive as long as we could than letting him go because we are afraid of living without him. The fear of death and the thought that death is bad is so deep in us that even the law says that people aren't allowed to die if they want to. Even if it's better that way. I'm not encouriging self murder here, but people should be able to decide themselves.
And I'm not just talking about people with uncurable diseases. There are also people who go to the assisted suicide clinic who are not sick, "insane" how a lot of people put it or depressed. They have lived a nice life with a good job, many friends ecetera and they'd just decided that now was the time to go. People should be able to do that everywhere.

I know I'm repeating myself and others here, but I just wanted to say it. It makes me sad to see that people who don't want anymore have to struggle. :(
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Postby Mysticsypher » Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:08 pm

Cheery wrote:It makes me sad to see that people who don't want anymore have to struggle. :(



Here here!

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Postby kakaze » Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:20 pm

Tonyblack wrote:
Marianne wrote:I found it extremely moving- it said (rather: Terry said...) everything I feel about the subject, but so much better. I feel very very lucky to live in Switzerland, a country where I would be allowed to die in dignity in my own home - or garden - with the help and support of my loved ones- without fearing that they would risk prosecution. I so hope Terry will be able to chose his own time and way, and my heart goes to him and his family.
Welcome to the site Marianne! :) It really was a very moving lecture.


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Postby Tonyblack » Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:26 pm

Kakaze, you can watch it here on YouTube. :)
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Postby Cheery » Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:28 am

Thanks so much Tony! I tried to find it for ages!
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Postby Sjoerd3000 » Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:44 am

Thanks Tony wanted to watch that :D
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Postby kakaze » Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:17 pm

Thanks Tony!
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Postby Dotsie » Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:25 am

Been crazy busy these last few days, but finally got to see it when I woke up at 3:30 this morning and couldn't go back to sleep :roll:

Cried all the way through :oops:
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