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Postby pip » Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:56 am

As i've posted in the book section several times i have over the last few months worked my way through the Gormenghast trilogy and i'm just finishiing the last part.
Great books built on vivid descriptions.
Several times when i'vce mentioned the books people recall the BBC series from 2000 .
Everyone seems to vaguely remember it so i picked up a copy of it from Play.com for a fiver.
Has anyone watched this recently or remember it well.
I'll let you know how it goes anyway. :D
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Re: Gormenghast

Postby DaveC » Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:02 am

pip wrote:As i've posted in the book section several times i have over the last few months worked my way through the Gormenghast trilogy and i'm just finishiing the last part.
Great books built on vivid descriptions.
Several times when i'vce mentioned the books people recall the BBC series from 2000 .
Everyone seems to vaguely remember it so i picked up a copy of it from Play.com for a fiver.
Has anyone watched this recently or remember it well.
I'll let you know how it goes anyway. :D


So you can diss it with specifics or see it in a brand new light. I thought you hate JRM?
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Postby Pearwood » Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:25 am

I've watched it a couple of times. The first 2 episodes that focus on Steerpike are excellent. Then he's suddenly made into a supporting character, his clever machinations shifted to the background. And instead it focuses on boring whine-merchant Titus and how no-one understands him. Yawn.

I've never read the books so I can't say on how they compare.
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Re: Gormenghast

Postby pip » Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:28 am

DaveC wrote:
pip wrote:As i've posted in the book section several times i have over the last few months worked my way through the Gormenghast trilogy and i'm just finishiing the last part.
Great books built on vivid descriptions.
Several times when i'vce mentioned the books people recall the BBC series from 2000 .
Everyone seems to vaguely remember it so i picked up a copy of it from Play.com for a fiver.
Has anyone watched this recently or remember it well.
I'll let you know how it goes anyway. :D


So you can diss it with specifics or see it in a brand new light. I thought you hate JRM?


I do hate JRM but hey its also got Stephen Fry in it so he can balance it out :lol:
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Postby pip » Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:29 am

Pearwood wrote:I've watched it a couple of times. The first 2 episodes that focus on Steerpike are excellent. Then he's suddenly made into a supporting character, his clever machinations shifted to the background. And instead it focuses on boring whine-merchant Titus and how no-one understands him. Yawn.

I've never read the books so I can't say on how they compare.


That is how the books go. Stterpike is an amazingly brilliant character but overall only a tool to the main plot and ideas.
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Postby Jan Van Quirm » Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:51 pm

I think with Gormenghast so much happens 'in the head' that it's really, really hard to present it visually - part of this is to do with Mervyn Peake who was primarily a painter/illustrator who could also describe his art in words to a really high degree so in that respect you don't actually need the visual input? :roll:

I only saw two episodes of the BBC production and whilst it was indeed stunning to look at, it completely missed the obsession and immersion you get in the book, so you don't really get that Gormenghast, the building itself, is alive and interacting with the denizens.

The best shot at dramatisation I think is still the radio version with Sting as Steerpike - about the only acting job where he's been as good as his hype :lol:
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Postby pip » Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:00 pm

Jan Van Quirm wrote:I think with Gormenghast so much happens 'in the head' that it's really, really hard to present it visually - part of this is to do with Mervyn Peake who was primarily a painter/illustrator who could also describe his art in words to a really high degree so in that respect you don't actually need the visual input? :roll:

I only saw two episodes of the BBC production and whilst it was indeed stunning to look at, it completely missed the obsession and immersion you get in the book, so you don't really get that Gormenghast, the building itself, is alive and interacting with the denizens.

The best shot at dramatisation I think is still the radio version with Sting as Steerpike - about the only acting job where he's been as good as his hype :lol:


Good point.
Part of why i took breaks between the three books is because of how much it draws the reader in. The intensity is tiring.
Very hard to adapt this to screen. It would be impossible to get the castle and atmosphere right.
Have to look for a copy of the radio version . Cheers for that Jan :D
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Postby DaveC » Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:57 am

Was in Glastonbury yesterday and bought one big book containing all three novels, the unfiished fourth plus some essays and two introductions......for £7 reduced from £19.99.

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Will probably get to it in about 6 months after I've finished with Good Omens, Johnny series, Carpet Peeps and Nation and Snuff.

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Postby pip » Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:46 am

By the unfinished fourth do you mean Boy in Darkness or the couple of pages from Titus Awakes which is at the end of some versions of Titus Alone . Just curious , i've not read the Boy in the Darkness yet.
Seemingly they are releasing a fourth installment this year done by Peakes wife but i've heard nothing yet .
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Postby DaveC » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:14 am

pip wrote:By the unfinished fourth do you mean Boy in Darkness or the couple of pages from Titus Awakes which is at the end of some versions of Titus Alone . Just curious , i've not read the Boy in the Darkness yet.
Seemingly they are releasing a fourth installment this year done by Peakes wife but i've heard nothing yet .


I think it's Titus Awakes?
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Postby pip » Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:13 pm

Cool. Haven't read it yet and i haven't seen a copy either so good find :D
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Postby pip » Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:24 pm

Just checked up and they have released the book of titus awakes as finished by the wife from his notes . Cheers dave . would have missed this otherwise.
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Postby DaveC » Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:46 pm

pip wrote:Just checked up and they have released the book of titus awakes as finished by the wife from his notes . Cheers dave . would have missed this otherwise.


How old is she? When was it done, didn't Peake die in '68?
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Postby pip » Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:35 pm

She's dead as well. She wrote it in the 70's and the daughter has brought it out .
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Postby Who's Wee Dug » Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:52 pm

The TV series was good, Peake was one of the authors who influenced M.Moorcock. I might check on play if they still have or Amazon.
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