raisindot wrote:Personally, my biggest logical argument against a believer trying to convince me that their God is real would be:
"If there truly is a deity, and your deity is the one true deity (or set of deities) who created the world and shephered your culture according to the stories you believe in, then how do you account for the thousands of other deities and stories that other people and cultures believe in? If there were only one true deity, then everyone would believe in the same creation stories and everyone would worship the same god. This is not so. Explain, other than saying that they're all wrong."
The thing is you are already giving credibility to the notion of a 'creator' god. You must strike at the heart of the matter if you want to challenge indoctrinated minds!
Most people believe in a creator based on the assumed improbablility of life, and the way that everything on the earth seems to have been made for us humans. e.g. Our muscles require oxygen, and it just so happens that there is an abundance of oxygen in the atmosphere etc, but these same people do not realise that evolution gives the great illusion of design, as we adapt and evolve to be better suited to the environment we are in. Think of it this way, it's almost like arguing that a stream or river was carved out before the water was added, and that's why it is the right shape and size for it. It's the same logic! Anyway getting back on track, the logic that something as improbable as complex life requires an infinatley more complex creator creates an infinite regress, as an infinatley complex creator would require something infinatley more complex to have created that also.