poohcarrot wrote:raisindot wrote:[A bribe is an offering of something of personal value to influence someone to do something specific that benefits the briber.
Ah J-I*b, there was me thinking the 5th Nellie was one of your fave books too.
It seems to me that making Vimes a Duke benefitted Vetinari (the briber), because he could now send Vimes to Uberwald to sort out the dwarf problem.
Speaking of predictable, Pooh, why is that when someone says something about a DW book that you don't agree with you use this to assert your own opinion about that person's DW preferences?
Anyway, you're wrong. Vimes was made a duke at the end of Jingo. not at the beginning of TFE. You can't assume that Vetinari knew anything about the dwarf situation during the Jingo timeframe or even promoted Vimes because he planned to use him as an ambassador at future events. (Jingo made it quite clear that Commander Vimes was quite able to bring about changes in international politics without the title.)
No one really knows how much time passed between the end of Jingo and the state of TFE.
And he wasn't 'bribed' with the dukedom; he was awarded it by Vetinari (along with the statue of Stoneface Vimes) for his (Vimes') unilateral work in stopping the Klatch/AM war long enough to let Vetinari resolve the impasse diplomatically. Vimes didn't want the promotion, and accepted it only because he knew it would make Sybil happy.
If you assert that Vimes' reward of a dukedom is a bribe, rather than a reward for a job well done, then you must agree with the assertion that every knighthood or other honor that has ever been bestowed upon someone for their life's work is also a bribe. Which means that Sir Terry Pratchett, Sir Paul McCartney, and Sir Humphrey(:lol:) were all bribed by the Queen. Pray tell: what specific actions did they take after this bribe that were of personal benefit to Her Majesty?
By your same illogic, every reward that has been bestowed upon any person in recognition of their work is also a bribe. Which means that thousands of soldiers who received medals or had streets or airports named after them in recognition of their heroic actions in wars were bribed, instead of honored.