The villainous nanny ogg & co

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The villainous nanny ogg & co

Postby rocketjohn » Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:16 pm

Greetings All,

Apologies for the join and immediate post - a friend and I were discussing the books, and the subject of whether the three witches can be considered in any way villainous came up.?

I reckon not - he reckon's well hey, they're witches...

Any opinions from y'all?

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Postby michelanCello » Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:19 pm

Hi there, rocketjohn, and welcome to the forum!

I think the witches aren't villainous... but I guess a lot of other people (Dorothy and Snow white included) might think otherwise...
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Postby Beautiful Dirt » Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:21 pm

Capable of self gratifying mischief if it teaches someone a lesson or serves a purpose certainly, but I think villainy is beyond the unspoken moral code of the Witches. Granny Weatherwax strives to be always in the light.
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Postby Tonyblack » Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:23 pm

Welcome to the site, rocketjohn! :D No need to apologise for posting here.

Discworld witches are basically district nurses, healers, home-helps and dealers in justice. I wouldn't say they were villainous, but they certainly aren't always popular. And one or two of them have quite a high opinion of themselves (mentioning no names :wink:).
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Postby swreader » Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:12 am

I'd go even further than Tony--Discworld Witches are anything but villainous--although Granny, for example, worries about going to the bad. The are the Guardians of the Borders, the wise women, herbalists, "doctors" and judges of Lancre (primarily). They do occasionally go to other parts of Discworld, but they (like the wizards) are generally concentrated in the Ramtops where the concentration of magic is highest. Their magic is quite different from wizard magic--but it has little similarity to the conventional notion of witches.

Witches can be opinionated, selfish, short tempered, and perfectly willing to trade on their position (eg. Nanny Ogg and her children, and daughters-in-law). They are not necessarily fun company, but they are who you want when things go "pear-shaped".

And Welcome to the forum--I envy you the chance to get better acquainted with the Discworld Witches (and the odd but nice lot who post here).
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Postby Dotsie » Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:58 am

Hi rocketjohn :) I actually think that witches go out of their way to prevent each other from becoming villainous - no-one wants to go the way of Black Alice, stuck in her own oven by a couple of kids - so they look out for the early signs of cackling.
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Postby mspanners » Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:20 am

They do have a dark side to them but they keep it under control.....In the book Lords and Ladies we are given an insight of what they could be with the breaks taken off.... if they turn they could end up like the Evil Witch of fable. As yet they cant really be cast as evil but it could happen if they turn to the light side! Granny Weatherwax nearly did when She was bitten by a Vampire.
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Postby rocketjohn » Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:38 am

Wow - what a friendly bunch :-)

Thank you for all your responses!

I think the consensus seems to be that the witches try to avoid going bad etc... as it says on the lspace wiki:

Down that road lies gingerbread cottages, ovens, etc.



cheers,

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Postby raisindot » Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:25 pm

As said, as "guardians of the edges," witches themselves aren't villainous.

That, however, doesn't prevent others from trying to blame them for villainy, as happens in "Wyrd Sisters," and, to a lesser degree, in "Carpe Jugulum."

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Postby Who's Wee Dug » Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:20 pm

Welcome to the site, rocketjohn, No the Witches are the goodies just like the ones in Sleeping Beauty apart from the one. :lol:
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Postby LessHero vanU » Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:38 am

Hi, Rocketjohn, and welcome. Per the others, these witches are not villianous - but they have been known to get a little teazy if not afforded the proper respect!
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Postby Jan Van Quirm » Fri Sep 24, 2010 3:03 pm

And then there's Lily Weatherwax - although she's technically a fairy godmother who always makes sure the story happens regardless of how it effects the godchild... :? She is not good at all! :wink:

They're not all 'good' in the traditional manner in the same way that they're mostly not bad. I'd say Mrs Earwig's also a pretty lousy witch in all kinds of ways - certainly as a mentor/tutor.
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Postby poohcarrot » Fri Sep 24, 2010 3:09 pm

...but Mrs Earwig's student is doing very well now, isn't she? :wink:
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Postby Jan Van Quirm » Fri Sep 24, 2010 3:23 pm

No - she's following the Way of Miz Treason courtesy of Boffo isn't she because the way she was taught didn't work at all :lol:
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Postby Tonyblack » Fri Sep 24, 2010 3:24 pm

Jan Van Quirm wrote:And then there's Lily Weatherwax - although she's technically a fairy godmother who always makes sure the story happens regardless of how it effects the godchild... :? She is not good at all! :wink:

Oddly enough though, Lilith 'thinks' she is the good one and that what she's doing is for the best.
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