raisindot wrote:Jan Van Quirm wrote:That's my beef with Moist mostly - quite frankly he doesn't change at all in how he thinks or operates, he simply changes sides and carries on behaving and thinking his way out of trouble more or less as he always has. I think Mr. Pump does have an effect, as does Adorabelle, in making him listen to his conscience more and in seeing how his actions can be bad for other people in small and nasty ways (mainly because he lost Adorabelle her job) but there's very little difference in how he operates aside from motivation and that's hardly noble either as it becomes a matter of pride for him to 'beat' Gilt and be the top of the heap dazzlingly dynamic con artist, because that's what he still is, just working for Vetinari and Ankh-Morpork
Do you have a similar 'beef' with CMOT Dibbler, who is essentially, as someone here put it, a unsuccessful version of Moist? Do you have a beef with Vetinari, who is, essentially, the "uber-moist," using the gentle art of politics and manipulation to hold on to power and guide the forces of the city? And isn't Vimes pulling a con on the city as well, assuming power and authority by creating the impression that the Watch is a lot more powerful than it really is and that it (and he) are the true "upholders" of the Law?
Life in Ankh-Morpork is one big con game, with people using power and commerce to one up each other. Moist is at least honest enough to admit that he is a con man at heart. But at least he was able to find a moral center in Going Postal that inspired him to "return" the money he stole to use for nobler ends. Indeed, by the beginning of "Making Money" he has become so respectable and honorable that nearly all of his actions are done not to enrich himself personally but for the benefit of the city.
In fact, I wouldn't find it hard to believe that Vetinari is secretly grooming Moist to become the next Patrician. The only quality Moist lacks is a penchant for violence. But, then again, maybe in the Century of the Anchovy this kind of tyranny may no longer be needed.
but that's my point They DON'T use it to one up on each other. they use it for the common good. I don't think either that the Patrician has a penchant for violence...I think he thinks if he has to use violence, he's failed