swreader wrote: As many of us have said, and I will say one more time, Pyramids is a pastiche. It has a number of humorous references, eg. You Bastard as great mathematician, and punning allusions to other pieces of literature, and a pun in the name of the country - something you've never commented on--but it is not satire, any more than Monty Python is satire.
swreader wrote:Oh dear-- I'm afraid Pooh that your "Theory of Humor" is just pooh. The whole thing is based more or less in terms of visual humor which is hardly the way to analyze a novel. Additionally, you reveal a lack of awareness of the breadth and complexity of American humor. We are not known particularly for our "Level 1" humor-- the pratfall. Though using your terms, I suppose that the Three Stooges and the Keystone Kops match that. But you ignore the type of humor or satire illustrated by Chaplain, Will Rogers, Mark Twain, Joseph Heller and Sinclair Lewis, to mention only a few.
Dotsie wrote:You do know that Sharlene is a retired literature professor don't you? It's nice that you keep on trying though, dear little pooh
swreader wrote:Pooh, your knowledge of satire is Nil
swreader wrote:...but it (Pyramids) is not satire, any more than Monty Python is satire.
Wikipedia on Life of Brian wrote:Religious satire and blasphemy accusations
The film has been seen as a critique of excessive religiosity, depicting organised and popular religion as hypocritical and fanatical. The film's satire on unthinking religious devotion is epitomised by Brian's attempt to persuade an enormous crowd of his followers to think for themselves:
Brian: Look, you've got it all wrong! You don't need to follow me, you don't need to follow anybody! You've got to think for yourselves! You're all individuals!
The Crowd (in unison): Yes! We're all individuals!
Brian: You're all different!
The Crowd (in unison): Yes, we are all different!
Man in Crowd: I'm not.
Another Man: Shhh!
The film also satirises both the tendency to interpret banal incidents as "signs from God" and the factions and infighting that can emerge from this. For example, when Brian loses his shoe, some of his over-zealous followers declare it to be a sign but they can't agree on what it means, while one other instructs them to "Cast off the shoe. Follow the gourd!" (which is viewed by some as being significant owing to Brian's seemingly charitable refusal to accept a price for it - and not even haggle over what it is worth - the truth actually being that it was a cheap, unwanted gift).
poohcarrot wrote:Are YOU sure you know what the meaning of satire is? Or maybe like me, your "knowledge of satire is Nil"
A judge pro tem is not a regular judge, but someone (usually a lawyer) who is brought in to serve temporarily as a judge.
Tonyblack wrote:This from the man who thinks Wiki is less than accurate.
In that case I apologise - I must be mixing you up with someone else. But Wiki is written by anyone who cares to join and isn't always accurate. It's good fr basic facts, but I don't think I'd bet my life on the info they have there.poohcarrot wrote:Tonyblack wrote:This from the man who thinks Wiki is less than accurate.
I like Wiki. I don't think I've ever said it was less than accurate, have I?
I think that's a good point. There isn't a lot of character development - Teppic goes off who knows where at the end. Ptraci reluctantly becomes monarch and Dios gets zapped back onto his ever repeating time loop. You finish the book and think - 'well that's that'. I'm not that bothered with what becomes of them because I don't feel I got to know them.Doughnut Jimmy wrote:Crysania those turtles should be honored to be sacrificed to further the knowledge of philosophy! Plus there's good eating on one of them.
Interesting point that there's no real likeable hero character - I'm not sure how far I agree - I think Teppic is allright apart from his inability to overule Dios while King (and the inherent problems of being royal of course). But there is not much to his character I suppose and Ptraci doesn't develop until the last few pages.
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