Ceno wrote: The gods of Djelibeybi became real due to Dios's manipulation of time breaking reality itself, in a similar way to how Bilious and the Verruca Gnome became real in Hogfather due to Teatime's actions.
However, in Last Hero we learn that Bast and Sessifet are up there in Dunmanifestin with the main gods of Discworld.
Do we know how did that work? Did Bast and Sessifet survive after Peppic saved the day and went to claim a place at Dunmanifestin? Or were the Bast and the Sessifet that manifested in Pyromids different entities than the "proper" gods? Or were the "proper" Bast and Sessifet taken from Dunmanifestin and forced to manifest at Djelibeybi?
Also, Sessifet is described as a "naked blue goddess" in several wikis, but in the books the only naked blue goddess is Nept...is that an errata that has been copypasted again and again, or am I missing some reference? Is she described as a "naked blue goddess" in the Discworld Noir Video Game?
Tonyblack wrote: In the Discworld the idea is that gods do not create people - people create gods through the power of belief.
Tonyblack wrote:I'd pretty much agree with your assessment of myth/religion, Jan.
In the case of Dios - he's so firmly in a groove as far as routine is concerned that he takes the whole kingdom along with him. Just about all the gods he creates are gods for times of the day. He has created prayers and rituals for each hour because his life has become one unwavering routine and he'll do anything to keep that routine going. Someone mentioned (possibly in another thread) the post office cat in Going Postal and Making Money. That's Dios!
The gods are his way of forcing ritual onto people. People who don't follow the rituals have a pretty short life expectancy.
The Catholic religion has been criticised in history for its strict routine - prayers for certain times of the day and precise actions to be carried out by the congregation during services. Although I don't think there's any crocodiles involved.
Tonyblack wrote:The Catholic religion has been criticised in history for its strict routine - prayers for certain times of the day and precise actions to be carried out by the congregation during services. Although I don't think there's any crocodiles involved.
pratchettjob wrote: FWIW, I think Pyramids is anti-fundamentalism, rather than anti-religion - the same way Small Gods is.
I also think Dios is more sympathetic than others have said here. What he does is what he believes is in the best interests of the realm. It's wrong, sure, but it makes him a much more interesting villain. What also fascinates me it is clearly the villain of the piece who founded Djel.
pratchettjob wrote:If it was a simple anti-religion diatribe, you wouldn't see things like gods actually existing or Teppic being as godly as he is. Like so many of Pratchett's books, it's about responsibility. It's what you do with your belief that is important.
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