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Postby Draywoman » Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:10 pm

A belated welcome from me too, Herron and glad you like the tag. No credit to me, all praise to the Master:)
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Postby Perebis Sedate » Sat Oct 02, 2010 11:02 am

Hi to you all,

Thank you for opening my eyes to another aspect of Unseen Academicals. I had seen it as commentary on class stereotyping, and very much as a prequel, but the gender issues passed me by. Ach y fi!
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Postby Tonyblack » Sat Oct 02, 2010 11:11 am

It's definitely a book that requires more than one reading. :wink:
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Postby One Man Bucket » Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:05 pm

Generally speaking, if a dwarf says they're female they probably are but with the whole parody of the fashion industry it's possible Sharn is merely fabulous. We can never know his/her until he/she bares all.
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Postby high eight » Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:40 pm

Herron451 wrote:Hi all. Long time reader of the books but new to your forum here. (long time listener, first time caller)
I agree about the professor, and acknowledge that Pepe is both human (dwarf by adoption sort of thing) and a right bastard, but I am almost as confused about his sexual identity as I was about my own once upon a time. Is he bi, gay, or straight, simply acting a part for the purpose of sales?


My own feeling is that Pepe plays the part of a flamboyant effeminate gay because that is what is expected of him as a fashionista. Underneath the surface, Pepe is a hard embittered working class lad made good with a bit of a chip on his shoulder. And still gay.

But that's just my opinion. :?
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Postby Exp. Date, the rat » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:14 am

You know I have read this book 3 times and listen to it about 6 times and I knew that Pepe was in love with Madame, but I never thought in a million years that they were both gay until I read this thread.

I had an idea that Pepe was gay or maybe Bi since you don't know what sex dwarfs were and Pepe could like that bisexual bend to it. And I wondered why if Madame was straight why was she interested in Bendigo. Now knowing about the 'Bugger and sod' it makes sense. I guess being a Yank (no pun intended) I missed out on that.

Now the book makes more sense and I might need to read it again soon.

The only thing that confuses me is when Madame is telling Glenda about being a female as a King, but being a Queen then he/she is king. But that makes sense. Being an old 'Queen'! OH! an A-HA moment! An Old QUEEN!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Postby dennykay » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:16 am

Exp. Date, the rat wrote:You know I have read this book 3 times and listen to it about 6 times and I knew that Pepe was in love with Madame, but I never thought in a million years that they were both gay until I read this thread.

I had an idea that Pepe was gay or maybe Bi since you don't know what sex dwarfs were and Pepe could like that bisexual bend to it. And I wondered why if Madame was straight why was she interested in Bendigo. Now knowing about the 'Bugger and sod' it makes sense. I guess being a Yank (no pun intended) I missed out on that.

Now the book makes more sense and I might need to read it again soon.

The only thing that confuses me is when Madame is telling Glenda about being a female as a King, but being a Queen then he/she is king. But that makes sense. Being an old 'Queen'! OH! an A-HA moment! An Old QUEEN!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

This is why I love Terry. All the little hidden gems and Jewels ( :wink:) you can find after many readings and picking aparts!



that, in a nutshell.


now i'm only waiting for a discussion about the agony aunts' sex, somehow they always read male to me.
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Postby meerkat » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:23 am

ooh no! I knew ladies in Walthamstow like that! They were the ones who threw yobs out of the pubs or sorted out difficult husbands. Seriously!
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Postby The Mad Collector » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:25 am

dennykay wrote:now i'm only waiting for a discussion about the agony aunts' sex, somehow they always read male to me.


:?: :?: :shock:

Dotsie and Sadie are definitely female :roll:
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Postby Dotsie » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:28 am

Most definitely female :evil:
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Postby dennykay » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:29 am

maybe it's just that exalted mode of speech they have, like 'ooh, indeed kind lady' and so on. i never heard that before, and somehow, it sounded a bit like a female impersonator i know. but, thanks to meerkat, i stand corrected :))
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Postby LilMaibe » Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:38 pm

dennykay wrote:maybe it's just that exalted mode of speech they have, like 'ooh, indeed kind lady' and so on. i never heard that before, and somehow, it sounded a bit like a female impersonator i know. but, thanks to meerkat, i stand corrected :))


You need to watch more Miss Marple and 'Arsen und Spitzenhäubchen' (Arsenic and Old lace, what was the original title again?)
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Postby dennykay » Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:33 pm

LilMaibe wrote:
dennykay wrote:maybe it's just that exalted mode of speech they have, like 'ooh, indeed kind lady' and so on. i never heard that before, and somehow, it sounded a bit like a female impersonator i know. but, thanks to meerkat, i stand corrected :))


You need to watch more Miss Marple and 'Arsen und Spitzenhäubchen' (Arsenic and Old lace, what was the original title again?)


i think it was arsenic and old lace. and yeah, i need to see them in english.

on madame sharn and pepe: i'm right now re-reading UA and didn't think that madame sharn was a 'he' (apart from being a dwarf of course). i just saw those two as an odd couple, a loving one. and maybe pepe is just a pumilio-phile , which doesn't seem to happen very often, even in ankh-morpork. come to think of it, are there any human-dwarf pairs on the disc apart from sharn/pepe and, technically, angua/carrot?
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Postby One Man Bucket » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:30 pm

I suppose there's all the women who fall foul of Casununda's charms but seeing as he acts and dresses like a somewhat refined human gentleman it's not quite the same
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Postby Cool Middle Name » Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:59 pm

Penfold wrote:Makes me wonder whether Rhys, Low King of the Dwarfs is actually Rhys, Low Queen of the Dwarfs? :?

You mean, like the Dragon King of Ankh Morpork was infact the Dragon Queen of Ankh Morpork?
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