Raising Steam *Warning Spoilers*

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Re: Raising Steam *Warning Spoilers*

Postby Tonyblack » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:43 pm

hnorwood wrote:I didn't think that Vetinari would have been fit enough to take on being a stoker - he walks with a stick. He got wounded in MAA, after all.

Yoda walks with a stick, but that doesn't stop him prodding buttock when it suits him. :lol:
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Re: Raising Steam *Warning Spoilers*

Postby Who's Wee Dug » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:08 pm

Tonyblack wrote:
hnorwood wrote:I didn't think that Vetinari would have been fit enough to take on being a stoker - he walks with a stick. He got wounded in MAA, after all.

Yoda walks with a stick, but that doesn't stop him prodding buttock when it suits him. :lol:

Although!! Jedi he is. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: Raising Steam *Warning Spoilers*

Postby Phenotype » Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:14 pm

I've actually read through this entire thread, and I've only seen it asked once, without a specific reply:

What did the golems actually do at the rickety bridge? I figured Moist's plan involved them in some way, but the scene itself was really puzzling to me. Maybe they could reinforce the bridge, but then there were all these engineers that had been working on it the whole time, apparently without seeing the golems? And then how did Moist and Vimes step off of the edge of the cliff, with Vimes saying "It's just like standing on a pavement"? Or the description of Iron Girder "flying"?

I enjoyed the book, but it was really jarring because I never felt like I got an actual answer to "How will Moist pull this one off?"
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Re: Raising Steam *Warning Spoilers*

Postby =Tamar » Sat Jun 14, 2014 5:24 pm

Phenotype wrote:What did the golems actually do at the rickety bridge? I figured Moist's plan involved them in some way, but the scene itself was really puzzling to me. Maybe they could reinforce the bridge, but then there were all these engineers that had been working on it the whole time, apparently without seeing the golems? And then how did Moist and Vimes step off of the edge of the cliff, with Vimes saying "It's just like standing on a pavement"? Or the description of Iron Girder "flying"?


Here's my take on it. Golems can move very fast if they want to. (They can probably tunnel through the earth, too, if they want to or are ordered to.) I think the engineers got out of the way, and the golems did something like a circus pyramid and made a bridge of their magically hardened bodies, probably holding the rails in place for Iron Girder to roll on. Standing on a golem is like standing on pavement. Once they were no longer needed, they retracted into the cliffside again.

This isn't what I was envisioning but it's neat:

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Re: Raising Steam *Warning Spoilers*

Postby Tonyblack » Sun Jun 15, 2014 10:16 pm

Who knows exactly how this was pulled off? Whether the golems were supporting the track or the bridge. Terry has deliberately (I believe) kept the solution mysterious and let us, the readers decide how it was done. If it were explained it would take away the magic. Quite obviously it was done using the golems and that could mean any of several ways. The point is, he couldn't do it without them. Despite his threats, Vetinari must have realised this. That is why Moist had to make it seem miraculous.

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Re: Raising Steam *Warning Spoilers*

Postby DaveC » Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:40 am

I finally finished this today! :clap:

(I know :shhh: it was my xmas present and I've been reading it very slowly... :whistle: )

I enjoyed the book a lot but can see the flaws and just come to accept them now.

I'm very surprised that the Undertaking underground railway wasn't integrated with this. I don't know my history but on Roundworld the underground did come after proper city-to-city railway, right? Maybe in the next book the AM Underground will just be a thing that happens between books Dick Simnel + Dwarf mines = ?

I really did like the vignette style of the book, especially the Brief Encounter reference with the two librarians. :D

And yes I think the stand out for me is the missing Carrot, of the watch members, if your going to have dwarf perspectives yes definitely have Cheery but have Carrot too. :naughty:

I think I liked it more than Snuff? Not sure really , find it hard having favourites in DW only that UA and MM are my least favourites...

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Re: Raising Steam *Warning Spoilers*

Postby crazyargie » Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:56 pm

I read it a week after it was available to buy, and i'm pretty disappointed with this book. Of course I don't buy that crazy theory about NON-PRATCHETT, but there's a few changes in the mood of some characters (Like Vetinary) that I don't like. I also been complaining about the lack of subtlety in the social criticism and the modernization of the DW since Moist appearance. DW It's losing shine and magic. :_(

What put me against Raising Steam for good, is the constant 'encyclopedic' data with no purpose. I feel like being pushed to know more and being treated like I would be silly. Sir, if I want to know more about trains (and I would possible liked to know more before your master class), I will do my own reading about it, thanks. :snooty:

However, Tiffany series keep the same spirit as the old DW books, thanks Terry!



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