Raising Steam *Warning Spoilers*

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Re: Raising Steam *Warning Spoilers*

Postby Tonyblack » Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:29 pm

I'm about half way through and therefore have not read the other comments. This is a really, really good book. I thought I might hate another Moist book, but I was wrong.
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Re: Raising Steam *Warning Spoilers*

Postby Who's Wee Dug » Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:17 pm

I'm quite enjoying it so far even if there are a few branch lines that seem come to a dead end, but they may tie up later in the book. :mrgreen:
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Re: Raising Steam *Warning Spoilers*

Postby Penfold » Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:18 pm

I'm not too far into it yet but, to me, the style of writing has a feeling that is reminiscent of his older books, including plenty of footnotes. :D
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Re: Raising Steam *Warning Spoilers*

Postby anapoda » Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:30 pm

Shame that Pratchett seems totally incapable to write a book without putting Vimes in it.

It's like force feeding at this point for the reader.
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Re: Raising Steam *Warning Spoilers*

Postby =Tamar » Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:56 pm

anapoda wrote:Shame that Pratchett seems totally incapable to write a book without putting Vimes in it.
It's like force feeding at this point for the reader.


It's set in Ankh-Morpork. If he didn't put Vimes in it, he'd have people asking where Vimes is. Sending him off to the countryside again wouldn't work.
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Re: Raising Steam *Warning Spoilers*

Postby Tonyblack » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:00 pm

I have memories of people complaining when Rincewind, The Librarian, CMOT Dibbler and Death didn't appear in every book. Why shouldn't Vimes make an appearance in a book where crime is being committed?
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Re: Raising Steam *Warning Spoilers*

Postby JohnnyBGlod » Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:51 pm

I like it when Vimes is in a book where he isn't the POV character. When he is you get to know the man's doubts and self-perceived weaknesses. From a character like Moist or Polly you get to see how other people see him and the projection of confident and implacable he is, capable of inspiring awesome fear and respect in others.

I wonder if Vetinari would seem as omnipotent and all knowing if we'd had a few books from his point of view?
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Re: Raising Steam *Warning Spoilers*

Postby Who's Wee Dug » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:23 pm

I heard it mentioned that this is the 1st book that Death has not made an appearance in, has he done a runner again then. ;) :mrgreen:
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Re: Raising Steam *Warning Spoilers*

Postby Tonyblack » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:30 pm

NO, DEATH IS IN THIS ONE. He wasn't in Snuff. ;)
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Re: Raising Steam *Warning Spoilers*

Postby JohnnyBGlod » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:46 pm

I took the ) :mrgreen: to mean he was being sarcastic.
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Re: Raising Steam *Warning Spoilers*

Postby CJDobs » Fri Nov 15, 2013 11:38 am

I'm about half way through it and loving it.

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I must say, the first third of the book feels totally right. It bounces along at a nice quick pace, lots of old and new characters in the mix. Great dialogue, typical Pratchett observations and gags, even a bit of the old slapstick feel from the very early days. Was expecting Dibbler with his sausage inna bun to pop up at any minute (he hasn't yet, but here's hoping!) And I really did fall for and love the Goblin's comment 'I'm an Ankh Morporkian, I've seen the big horse' (see related footnote! :lol: )

It does lose a bit of Steam (geddit) when Moist reaches Quirm though as the writing style changes. Up to this point, building engines, purchasing land, developing ideas, The Grag's terrorist activities etc, all fly by in a paragraph or a page and then on to the next part of the tale. It's succinct story telling, compelling and enjoyable to read. But then at Quirm there's what I felt were odd scenes with the removal of the bandits and goblins journey which differed a lot from the previous 'whistle stop' style. Not sure where it goes from here but will after I finish it today :)

I really don't understand (or like) the criticism levelled at him that he didn't write it. This to me is total nonsense. It strikes me as 'uber fans' trying to sound clever by claiming they can totally read and predict Terry's style and if they don't like it then 'oh no, I don't think he wrote this because of his Alzheimers' ....Twaddle. I doubt Terry would let anyone write his work for him. True, it's not quite the Discworld of old, but Terry isn't the Pratchett of old either...

Still, this one 'feels' right to me. Much better than Snuff which I struggled with (lacked humour and Vimes' constant 'i'm a copper see' got right on my pip). Tiny observations aside about the change in style, it feels great to be back in the Discworld I know (haven't really felt it since I shall wear midnight). This is classic Terry for me, not quite Maskerade, Lords and Ladies or Night Watch, but not Snuff either ;)
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Re: Raising Steam *Warning Spoilers*

Postby TheAnts » Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:57 pm

I liked Snuff. It was a dense as a piece of Dwarf Bread and still funny, though I find these days that Terry books normally cause one horse laugh, somewhere near the end. That's fine by me.

RS I notice didn't cause me any horse laughs, though much quiet amusement, but it made my Mr laugh so much that I had to keep asking him to read out what he was laughing at!

Re the style, now I've finished it, it feels like it didn't get the 14th edit. There are several long wordy speeches from characters of a kind he doesn't normally do, and go on a bit.

Lao Tse doesn't appear again.

Quite a lot of threads seem to be drawn up, not just from this book but from others. I can't quite put my finger on what I mean by that.

Why "Iron Girder"? You don't make engines out of girders. Do you? It's a weird sort of name. I wonder if he meant to call her "Iron Maiden" but thought he might get sued. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Why did Rhys change her name? What was the point of that? It's not like dwarfs have sex-specific names, or if they do, surely they don't make an issue of it? I can think of one good reason why she MIGHT have adopted the new name, but it's never said.
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Re: Raising Steam *Warning Spoilers*

Postby Who's Wee Dug » Sat Nov 16, 2013 8:03 pm

I've have had a few chuckles so far about a third of the way in, I don't think Terry would have got sued if he had used Iron Maiden, because Maiden can't trademark the name as it was an instrument of torture, and it was from what they took the name for the group. I think the Feegles had a word in his lughole about watching the Iron Bru adverts as they state it's made from Girders. :lol:
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Re: Raising Steam *Warning Spoilers*

Postby pepeispepe » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:29 am

TheAnts wrote:Why did Rhys change her name? What was the point of that? It's not like dwarfs have sex-specific names, or if they do, surely they don't make an issue of it? I can think of one good reason why she MIGHT have adopted the new name, but it's never said.


I think it was to make a statement. The traditional mode of naming among dwarves seems to be "Something Somethingson". Rhys Rhysson is definitely a traditional, masculine-centered dwarf name. I can see why she would want to change it, even just for political impact.

Cheery did the same thing when she was finding her feet as female, didn't she? I remember her having a list of different names and spellings, and she opted for Cheri / Cheery in the end.
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Re: Raising Steam *Warning Spoilers*

Postby One Man Bucket » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:46 am

Chose to borrow this after being burnt by Snuff and just finished it and I loved it. Possibly the most gripping book Terry's written for a while. I feel like Rhy's outing was a bit rushed but I suppose she struck while the iron was hot. The pregnancy and and name change seem unnecessary but not forced. Definitely a vast improvement over Snuff
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