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Postby Stultus Saxum » Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:02 pm

Although your political leanings are evident (and I, were I an American citizen, would have the same), I think that's an excellent article. Well done.

I did read through the comments. Oh dear. Or just funny from this distance. Randy L. comes across as someone I would love to have a debate with for about 5 minutes before squishing his face in some apple pie (with vanilla ice cream). Mike G has an interesting take on the word government, too. What is a guvment? There's an excellent column in Private Eye that parodies things people type online in message boards. Some of the comments seemed to have come straight from there.
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Postby poohbcarrot » Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:05 pm

Tonyblack wrote:The world could do with more idiots like you Pooh!


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Postby poohbcarrot » Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:31 pm

I've got a positive rating for my comment! Yippee! :lol:
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Postby Tonyblack » Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:32 pm

poohbcarrot wrote:I've got a positive rating for my comment! Yippee! :lol:
It was me. :wink:
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Postby Dotsie » Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:35 pm

I had a feeling :lol:
What's up with this glass? Excuse me? Excuse me? This is my glass? I don't think so. My glass was full! And it was a bigger glass!
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Postby Tina a.k.a.SusanSto.Helit » Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:20 pm

Great Article Sharlene! and Wow :shock: some of your neighbors are downright scary. Pooh, you make a valid point I shall have to commend you for it. :D
Aha! So, Bob's yer uncle... very clever.
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Postby swreader » Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:26 pm

Thanks everybody! I thought it was pretty well done. I'll have to go back and give an approval for your comment Pooh--but the last time I looked, I had over 89 comments. I got probably 30 e-mailed to me, most from people I know and approving. Some others writing to approve that I don't know, and a few that could join the comments posted - some folks are just plain nuts.
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Postby Tina a.k.a.SusanSto.Helit » Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:29 pm

Poohb is #90 :twisted:
Aha! So, Bob's yer uncle... very clever.
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Postby Trish » Sun Sep 06, 2009 1:23 pm

swreader wrote:I thought it was pretty well done.


It is well done. Concise, brief, to the point.


Here's the thing: follow the money.
Who benefits? is a question your law school profs told you to ask.

So who will benefit from reforming health care insurance?
Not Blue Cross or Kaiser.
So why would they want reform?
They dont', but they will go along with the seemingness of reform. Just not the whatness.


Ins co's say they can't compete in a single payer system.
Why not?
True insurance reform would allow the co-op, pvt ins and single payer insurance systems to exist and offer real choices. By offering these real choices, the cost of health ins would be driven down (competition) and lower prices is what Kaiser et al do not want.


In 1971, Nixon approved the first HMO --Kaiser Pernamente-- which opened the door for the rise in monopolized insurance costs we now must live with.
Remember that Nixon was also the guy who sent troops into Laos, China and Cambodia then lied about it.
He's the one with the Slush Fund and the Watergate coverup.
And who hollered loudest about the American Way was a member of Joe McCarthy's Un-American Committee.


We will not see either health insurance reform or health care reform.
The pharmas and the ins co's bullied Clinton out of it and bought Hillary's silence by contributing to her campaigns --again, follow the money.


The real money is in monopolizing health insurance, not in competition.


Tens of millions of people are basically screwed. We pay the taxes that comprise our Reps' and Senators salaries (and their health care), but we get nada.


2d Amendment is a good thing. Because I cannot afford to buy groceries.
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Postby swreader » Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:08 pm

Vaguely apropos of the editorial, last night on the local news they do a Friday night round-table, and were talking about 3 town halls by my Congresswoman. One of the participants (editor of the most liberal of the papers commenting) said that he had been wryly amused by the comments of those he talked to at the three somewhat racuous town halls. He said he asked some of the most vocal protesters what their main complaint was. Answer - Don't want to government to run health care because they couldn't do it properly and it would cost too much." Next question, do you like your present insurance? Answer - Yes, very much. Final question - Who provides your present insurance? Most common answers were either Medicare or Veterans Administration.

These people seem totally unaware (and don't believe) that these are both government run health insurance programs that are markedly cheaper (because they are non-profit) than any insurance company. Go figure! :lol:
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Postby Trish » Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:37 pm

swreader wrote: Most common ... were either Medicare or Veterans Administration.

These people seem totally unaware (and don't believe) that these are both government run health insurance programs that are markedly cheaper (because they are non-profit) than any insurance company. Go figure!


Yes. The ignorance of most Americans about health ins. is amazing.

Others with gov't-run health insurance:
Government employees on every level
Public school teachers & employees
State-run university professors, admin and coaches
Military(active or guard)
Police & Firemen
Most (not all) non-profit admin & employees
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Postby Beth » Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:32 am

It seems like a lot of people just don't want to bother to really listen and educate themselves. It's easier just to be told by someone else what you think and then be militant about it. I think that's the biggest problem across the board in my country. A lot of people don't want to hear anything new or learn anything. They especially don't want to have to start really thinking and learn that they're wrong about things. I don't mean everyone of course, it just seems very widespread. It's not just the healthcare issue, it's everything.
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Postby chris.ph » Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:45 pm

i use a forum for people with ileostomies and colostomies and the americans on it tell us the horror stories of what theyve got to do to get the proper equipment and meds
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Postby Tina a.k.a.SusanSto.Helit » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:06 pm

Hells Bells, most of the people who work for Chrysler, Cannot see a doctor without paying the ENTIRE fee. They will fix darn near anything once you are dying but preventative meds? HA. They would rather have us die than pay for a doctor visit. Most of the Doctors around Northern IL are a minimum of $200 and any specialist is $300 to start, and that is EVERY time you see them.

Procedures, no sweat, prove you need one? Better be independently wealthy or be incredibly lucky. My doctor, GP, was shocked when I told her about how they treat us at the BIG THREE automakers. She thought I was feeling sorry for myself and it took several times of her dealing with them to begin to wonder why they did not care about the people... it all comes down to money. If you cannot see the doctor, your ailment will be let go until it becomes chronic... if you let it go too long you die, or they "cure" you and you wish you were dead it sucks big time.

I know people who "clean" catheters, bags, do without blood glucose test strips and wind up dying from those things, While insured.
Aha! So, Bob's yer uncle... very clever.
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Postby Tonyblack » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:24 pm

This is a really good article related to what Sharlene posted. :D
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