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Postby Dotsie » Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:50 pm

It’s by Edward Thomas, who died in the first world war.

War poems are always very sad. We read quite a lot at school too.

I think the brevity of this one, and the simple theme, make it more moving. :cry:
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Postby Tonyblack » Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:06 pm

Maybe I'm wrong about this, but it seems to me that the First World War produced far more poets that are still remembered today than any subsequent wars. :?
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Postby Jan Van Quirm » Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:04 pm

Because it was a really horrendous time in every possible way I think.

If anyone's ever read Cross Channel by Julian Barnes there's a story called Evermore about a single woman whose brother was killed in Flanders and how ever year she used to visit the war graves in Flanders and Normandy from when they opened and for 40 years afterwards. So in time there are more graves from WW2 and so she starts comparing the two and it just makes it worse for her because the lists for WW1 are at least double those of WW2... A whole generation was lost in some way with the terrible injuries caused by mustard gas and shell-shock (PTS doesn't sound quite so bad does it?) or just the hell soldiers went through in the trenches marred so many lives even if people survived with their bodies relatively in one piece - the toll on the minds was just as terrible with too many women looking after too few maimed or traumatised lads that thought it would be over by Xmas.

Not saying WW2 wasn't bad 'cos in some ways it was far, far worse but the human toll in the First Great War was shocking in every way - and still it happened again and has kept on happening ever since. Maybe the poetry of war just faded with them in 1918? :cry:
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Postby poohbcarrot » Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:25 am

poohbcarrot wrote:For my O levels I studied poetry about war and love. For some reason the following poem really moved me and I still remember it to this day. I don't know who wrote it and maybe I've got some of the words wrong, but;

In Memoriam

The flowers left thick in the forest this eastertide,
Bring into mind the men, now far from home,
Who with their loved ones, should have picked them,
And will never do again.


Here's the correct version - I was close - but no cigar!

The flowers left thick at nightfall in the wood
This Eastertide call into mind the men,
Now far from home, who, with their sweethearts, should
Have gathered them and will do never again.
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Postby poohbcarrot » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:46 am

I like my poetry to have a tune.

This is Heartland by The The (from one of my favourite albums of all time).

Beneath the old iron bridges, across the victorian parks,
& all the frightened people running home before dark,
Past the Saturday morning cinema--
that lies crumbling to the ground,
& the piss stinking shopping centre in the new side of town.
I've come to smell the seasons change, & watch the city,
as the sun goes down again.

CHORUS
Here comes another winter, of long shadows & high hopes,
Here comes another winter, waitin for utopia,
waitin for hell to freeze over.

This is the land, where nothing changes,
the land of red buses & blue blooded babies,
This is the place, where pensioners are raped,

& the hearts are being cut, from the welfare state,
Let the poor drink the milk, while the rich eat the honey,
Let the bums count their blessings, while they count the money.

So many people, can't express what's on their minds,
Nobody knows them & nobody ever will,
Until their backs are broken & their dreams are stolen,
& they can't get what they want, then they're gonna get angry!
Well it ain't written in the papers, but its written on the walls
The way this country is divided to fall,
So the cranes are moving on the skyline--
Trying to knock down--this town
But the stains on the heartland, can never be removed,
from this country, that's sick, sad, and confused.

CHORUS

The ammunition's being passed, and the lords been praised,
But the wars on the televisions will never be explained,
All the bankers gettin sweaty, beneath their white collars,
As the pound in our pocket, turns into a dollar.

This is the 51st state--of the U. S. A.
(Repeat and fade.)

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Postby Trish » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:14 am

poohbcarrot wrote:
Trish wrote:His poetry is for the thinking man.


If the above is a line from a poem, then their is a 5% chance you could be right. But I see no inverted commas, and there is no name associated with it. So, I don't believe for one second that it is a line from a poem, so we are talking purely grammar. Grammatically speaking you are 100% wrong.

My dictionary, second and third entries under the word "man".

2. Uncountable noun. human beings as a group or from a particular period of history.

- the damage caused by man to the environment
- early/modern/Prehistoric man

3. Countable noun. (literary or old-fashioned) a person, either male or female.

- All men must die"



Pooh-Bee--

I was taught (and taught) pre-MLA. Whatnhell is a countable noun?
Person, place or thing that can be quantified, right.

Follows that uncountable nouns cannot be quantified, yeah?
As in the number of houses, cars, dogs, signs, people. No, you can count those.

Of course, it's not from a poem! I wrote that. Ok, stole it from my Eng professor.

"Man," in that snippet of a sentence, refers to mankind, to humankind.
Pronoun.
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Postby poohbcarrot » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:48 am

Countable nouns (C) you can count. 1 dog 2 dogs
Uncountable nouns (U) you can't count. water, weather, money (I'm waiting for the joke), paper, beef

If you are not sure what countable and uncountable nouns are, why are you so sure what a pronoun is? :?

Man is destroying the planet (U)
Mankind is destroying the planet (U)
Humans are destroying the planet (C)
The human race is destroying the planet (singular)
Human beings are destroying the planet (C)
Humanity is destroying the planet (U)
Humankind is destroying the planet (U)

These all mean the same. They are all nouns (either countable or uncountable)

The subject pronoun for all of them is "WE" (or at a push for a couple of the uncountable nouns - "HE")

The object pronoun for all of them is "US" (or at a push for a couple of the uncountable nouns - "HIM")

"MAN" IS NOT A PRONOUN!

All you have to do is check in any dictionary :roll:

(I have no idea what pre-MLA means)
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Postby Batty » Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:08 pm

Can you two agree to disagree? If not, you should both clamber into a mud pit and let us watch!
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Postby poohbcarrot » Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:20 pm

Batty wrote:Can you two agree to disagree? If not, you should both clamber into a mud pit and let us watch!
:roll:


You're right Batty :lol:

"The thinking man" in us english is a pronoun.

"The thinking man" in English English is an adjective and a noun.

There you go, argument over! :lol:
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Postby Tonyblack » Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:24 pm

I'm amazed! :shock:









Batty doesn't have a mud wrestling smiley. :lol:
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Postby swreader » Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:25 pm

On a somewhat less serious note, this is:

Vet, Be Not Proud
by John Donne's Cat


Vet, be not proud, though thou canst make cats die
Thou livest but one life, while we live nine,
And if our lives were half as bleak as thine,
We would not seek from they cold grasp to fly.
We do not slave our daily bread to guy:
Our eyes are blind to gold and silver's shine:
We owe no debut, we pay no tax or fine;
We tremble not when creditors draw nigh.
The sickest animal that thou dost treat
Is weller than a man; in peace we dwell
And know not guilt or sin, and fear not hell;
Poor vet, we live in heaven at thy feet.
But do not think that any cat will weep
When thee a Higher Vet doth put to sleep.
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Postby Batty » Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:01 pm

Tonyblack wrote:I'm amazed! :shock:









Batty doesn't have a mud wrestling smiley. :lol:

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Postby Jan Van Quirm » Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:32 pm

Batty wrote:
Tonyblack wrote:I'm amazed! :shock:



Batty doesn't have a mud wrestling smiley. :lol:

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She doesn't have one - yet... :twisted:
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Postby Tina a.k.a.SusanSto.Helit » Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:19 pm

I think it will be Jello Wrestling... yep my belief.
Aha! So, Bob's yer uncle... very clever.
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Postby poohbcarrot » Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:31 am

Trish

I'd just like to say that I find the following postcard NOT in the slightest bit funny. It stereotypes Americans, Europeans and even the British. Just because the last US president had problems stringing a coherent sentence together, does not give us pompous Brits the right to criticise other countries' use of the English language.

So to show there are no hard feelings, if I we ever meet, it'd be my pleasure to buy you three pints of British beer.

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Edit:
Whoops-a-daisy! I appear to have posted this on the wrong thread. This isn't the "How much do you drink" thread, is it?
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