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Postby Tina a.k.a.SusanSto.Helit » Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:45 pm

Dotsie wrote:I've had a think about my most & least favourite books, & they seem to be a fairly even mixture. So that's me out of a potentially interesting bun fight then!


HEY Trish, shall we work on a trebuchet to try and fling buns? hmm, could be a bad idea, in order to get there, they would have to go very high and freeze or become meteors on re-entry. Could be fun tho. :twisted: :lol:
Aha! So, Bob's yer uncle... very clever.
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Postby swreader » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:53 pm

Pooh- your teacher must have been writing this thread. Discuss Indeed!!

I find that while I like (most of) the "pure escape" books where Pratchett puns, alludes, footnotes and the like--I only like them once. And I think in some ways they are the least interesting because unless you happen to be, for example, a rock music fan--Soul Music gets awfully odd for reasons I didn't understand (until Tony explained the allusions).

There are a second level of books which I find I like somewhat better, although they are really pure escapism. These are the ones with interesting characters or funny ideas--Reaper Man-- would fit in this category. They're the kind you come back to because of the warm, fuzzy feeling. I'd even include Thief of Time in this category.

The books that I really appreciate and find myself coming back to more often, though, tend to be those with ideas or satiric comments on human activity or the human condition--the ones that make me think. And because they have humor, pathos, struggle, success, failure and all the other elements of the human condition, I like them far more than the running gag type books (Lost Continent, Pyramids, Soul Music).


But as Tony wisely pointed out -- what's to discuss really? We like books for different reasons. In fact, reading Pratchett is like reaching into a well-stocked spice cupboard. Sometimes you want a nice warm cinnamoney taste, or a lusty garlic, or a complex curry.

Edited to change the paragraphing and to add the following teacher's note on the first post of the thread.


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Postby poohbcarrot » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:13 am

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Postby NightOwl » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:48 am

ah! I think we have an Unreal Argument !

comedy is about the human condition - it succeeds on the basis that in every ridiculous incident somebody like us makes a tw-t of themselves!

when George Orwell (Coming up for air) wrote about the water running up you rarm when you shave - it was observational humour - when he wrote about following a large-arsed woman down the street then realising she had been the sylph-like object of his teenage affections, it had pathos. he was writing about the human condition and writing comedy.

Evelyn Waugh - (Snoop) - in which a casual contributor to a newspaper gets mistaken for somebody who wants to report on a war-zone and then has to adjust to journalism in the field - is both highly amusing and worryingly ironic.

all truly great comedy is based on us recognising part of ourselves and the human condition in unusual circumstances - Vimes and Carrot reflect that a lot.

"Nation" has the expected mix of observation/insight and comedy - there is no need to pigeon-hole any author - or indeed their work - look at Joseph Heller's "Catch 22" for example.
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Postby Dotsie » Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:34 am

NightOwl wrote:Evelyn Waugh - (Snoop)


Is that the sequel to Scoop? :wink: Interesting slip considering that the subject matter is journos :lol:
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Postby Tonyblack » Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:54 am

Dotsie wrote:
NightOwl wrote:Evelyn Waugh - (Snoop)


Is that the sequel to Scoop? :wink: Interesting slip considering that the subject matter is journos :lol:
:lol: I didn't know otherwise and assumed it was an amusing title for a book about jouralism.
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Postby Jan Van Quirm » Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:35 am

poohbcarrot wrote:"I will not post threads merely to "wind up" members."

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You flamin' tease Pooh! :shock:

I wonder..... never, never change Pooh! :twisted:
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Postby Bouncy Castle » Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:06 am

What I want to know is.......................

.... what is it with Pratchett and cabbages, and Rankin with sprouts?

Vegetable mad, the both of 'em.






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Postby Dotsie » Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:12 am

Men like farts. Simple.
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Postby Bouncy Castle » Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:19 am

:shock:
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Postby Tonyblack » Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:33 am

Bouncy Castle wrote:What I want to know is.......................

.... what is it with Pratchett and cabbages, and Rankin with sprouts?

Vegetable mad, the both of 'em.






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Vegetables are funny - it's as simple as that. :lol:
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Postby Who's Wee Dug » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:14 pm

Bouncy Castle wrote:What I want to know is.......................

.... what is it with Pratchett and cabbages, and Rankin with sprouts?

Vegetable mad, the both of 'em.






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Postby poohbcarrot » Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:37 pm

The trouble with doing lines as a punishment now is that with cut and paste it takes less that 1 minute.

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Postby GrayGriffin » Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:49 pm

Pooh, that was insanely funny to me. I always like "back in my day" jokes.

And as for the TP books...I like them all! They all have something charming about them, in my opinion. Shall I count the ways?

Color of Magic: Got me into the series in the first place.
The Light Fantastic: The baby world-turtles. :3
Equal Rites: The shapeshifting battle. And also Granny first showing how awesome she is.
Mort: The Mort vs. Death scene.
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Er, yeah. So basically, I like both light, gag-filled ones, and the more somber ones. Discworld has a good balance of them, I feel.
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Postby Trish » Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:59 pm

Tina a.k.a.SusanSto.Helit wrote:HEY Trish, shall we work on a trebuchet to try and fling buns? hmm, could be a bad idea, in order to get there, they would have to go very high and freeze or become meteors on re-entry. Could be fun tho. :twisted: :lol:


Why don't we fling cabbages? By the time they re-enter the atmosphere frozen, we will have created a "green" and environmentally-friendly ballistic missile that we can then sell to the Pentagon for untold riches.
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