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What's your stance on homoeopathy?

Complete bogus
15
60%
Good in addition to a "normal" therapy
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32%
The only rational form of healing
0
No votes
I don't really know enough about homoeopathy to give an informed opinion
2
8%
 
Total votes : 25

Re: Homoeopathy

Postby KnightOfFewWords » Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:50 am

Sorry to hear that story michelanCello, but thank you for telling us.

ChristianBecker wrote:What is vague is the concept many people have of homoeopathy...


That's the impression I'm getting from a few posts, which isn't surprising given that it's not something the posters would likely to be interested in. Homoeopathy is kind of a pseudo-scientific extension of the Greek medical theory of the four humours. It's tenets are:
- All effective drugs produce symptoms in healthy individuals similar to those of the diseases that they treat (demonstrably untrue).
- A very weak dilution of a harmful substance preserve a its therapeutic properties while removing its harmful effects, arousing and enhancing "the spirit-like medicinal powers of the crude substances" (how?).
- The weaker the dilution, the more powerful its effects (very Zen).
- Some dilutions are so weak they are unlikely to contain even a single molecule of the original substance. Modern practitioners try to explain this by theorising that "water has a memory" (ommmmmm).

Given the above, I'm happy to dismiss homoeopathy entirely.

Alternative and folk medicine are slightly different beasts, which I treat with a great deal of scepticism, but not outright dismissal. There is an awful lot of woo out there, and much of it is as nonsensical as homoeopathy, but there may well be some useful nuggets too. Genuine folk medicine contains a mix of good and bad advice, but it takes a more scientific approach to separate one from the other. Willow bark has been known to reduce pain and fever since at least the time of Hippocrates, but you are far better off taking aspirin, which contains similar compounds; it has the benefits of providing a known dose of a quality controlled substance, at greatly reduced cost, with much lower risk of contamination.

It's also worth noting that many pharmaceuticals simply don't work for many patients, because their genes can affect how a particular drug works in their body. This is also why some people suffer from side-effects, while others don't. Finding the right prescription for someone often involves a degree of trial and error.
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Re: Homoeopathy

Postby Tonyblack » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:15 am

My ex wife once urged me to see a so-called specialist to treat my depression. For around £60 (probably a lot more now) I was subjected to a device that was supposed to test allergies that may be causing my depression. This device was basically a hand-held meter into which were inserted sealed glass vials containing various things I might be allergic to. Such things as wheat flour and house dust - there were dozens of them! The vial was placed against my hand and a reading was taken with the device. Note that the substance in the tube never actually made contact with my skin.

After all these checks it was determined that I was wheat, gluten and lactose intolerant and I was given a whole list of things I couldn't eat or had to find alternatives for, plus a huge list of vitamin supplements and homeopathic remedies I needed to take.

Because my ex was determined that this would work where antidepressants hadn't, I went through the charade for three months and probably spent a small fortune on supplements and alternative. I feel absolutely no better after the three months and quit.

Now call me cynical (please do as I am) but this quack was operating from an office about a health food shop that happened to sell all the supplements and alternatives. :roll:

I am not allergic to flour, gluten or dairy products and felt like the whole thing was a complete con. :snooty:
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Re: Homoeopathy

Postby Catch-up » Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:30 pm

I can't claim to be well informed about homeopathy. But, in general, I'd like to hear that scientific studies have been done and good results achieved before I try any sort of treatment. If someone wants to try a homeopathic remedy for something, I think they should consult a doctor first. Using it with a medical prescription seems fine as long as it's harmless and there are no interactions with something you're already taking. Even if you're just grabbing an over the counter vitamin or supplement, it's a good idea to check with the pharmacist to make sure there are no negative interactions with anything you're already taking.
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Re: Homoeopathy

Postby Dotsie » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:57 pm

I know some people have said on here that if there's no danger in it and people feel better from it, where's the harm? The harm is that some unscrupulous quacks are making money from desperate and ill people, and all they're selling is water.

I'd also like to point out that homoepathy doesn't work 'sometimes', it never ever works. People get better spontaneously, or their pain decreases (because they feel comforted), but no one has ever been healed. Not even by the placebo effect (which seems to have a better reputation than it deserves anyway).
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Re: Homoeopathy

Postby Dotsie » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:59 pm

Ooh, I know. Homeopaths should be encouraged to practice, but jailed if they charge anything. That should cure it.

Ben Goldacre's Bad Science is a good read.
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Re: Homoeopathy

Postby Bouncy Castle » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:01 pm

I've been meaning to get a big jar of placebo tablets, as they really seem to do the trick. ;)
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Re: Homoeopathy

Postby Dotsie » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:08 pm

They're called smarties, enjoy!
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Re: Homoeopathy

Postby Bouncy Castle » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:33 pm

Buggrit. I was hoping they were called Minstrels!
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Re: Homoeopathy

Postby Jan Van Quirm » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:44 pm

Yeah - too many additives in Smarties whatever they say :P

I've ticked the 'alongside' mainstream treatment option. Take the accepted medicine/therapy route and, if you think it'll help use alternative treatments to alleviate symptoms especially if it's something like Reiki massage where it's not actually going to mess with insides at all or too much and helps you relax or feel good.

In general I'd agree homeopathy isn't much good at curing anything but if it helps you feel you're getting a 'natural' approach in there, especially if the practitioner has an holistic approach and isn't hostile to mainstream medicine alongside their own, then go for it provided you're not getting fleeced for consultation.
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Re: Homoeopathy

Postby Dotsie » Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:45 pm

Jan Van Quirm wrote:I've ticked the 'alongside' mainstream treatment option. Take the accepted medicine/therapy route and, if you think it'll help use alternative treatments to alleviate symptoms especially if it's something like Reiki massage where it's not actually going to mess with insides at all or too much and helps you relax or feel good.

I have nothing against alternative therapies, as long as they aren't harmful. Massage feels nice. Aromatherapy means you get a nice soak in a lovely smelling bubble bath. But homeopathy is a sugar pill, with absolutely no active ingredients. It's not an alternative therapy, it's a 'no therapy at all'.

I actively despise homeopathy, can you tell? ;)
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Re: Homoeopathy

Postby Bickaxe » Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:06 pm

Dotsie wrote:
Jan Van Quirm wrote:I've ticked the 'alongside' mainstream treatment option. Take the accepted medicine/therapy route and, if you think it'll help use alternative treatments to alleviate symptoms especially if it's something like Reiki massage where it's not actually going to mess with insides at all or too much and helps you relax or feel good.

I have nothing against alternative therapies, as long as they aren't harmful. Massage feels nice. Aromatherapy means you get a nice soak in a lovely smelling bubble bath. But homeopathy is a sugar pill, with absolutely no active ingredients. It's not an alternative therapy, it's a 'no therapy at all'.

I actively despise homeopathy, can you tell? ;)


I think someone needs to stop taking their lemon juice pills and try a sugar pill instead ;)
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Re: Homoeopathy

Postby Dotsie » Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:58 pm

Should I stop taking my science pills, too? You won't find a real scientist who thinks homeopathy is a good thing.

Honestly, if you want to believe that a sugar pill can make you better, go ahead and take it. It's your money. The shutters aren't coming down on evidence-based medicine, when you come to your senses.
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Re: Homoeopathy

Postby Mycroft Vimes » Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:58 pm

Dotsie wrote:I actively despise homeopathy, can you tell? ;)

Second that too! :roll:
For me it's on about the same level of 'quackiness' as acupuncture,which happens to be more my 'pethate'.
With both practices the despisement for them in me will rise exponentially when recommend on animals,where there will not even be slightest chance of the possible positive effect via the placebo-effect(on the animal),but every chance of ill side-effects.
Besides not doing anything other than emptying the owner's wallet as well of course.
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Re: Homoeopathy

Postby raptornx01 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:04 am

ooooh, it must REALLY irk you then when doctors recommend Acupuncture as a viable treatment for certain ailments. :lol:
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Re: Homoeopathy

Postby ChristianBecker » Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:17 am

Thank you, Dotsie. Your posts express my feelings exactly. Actually I hoped to find such views here :D, been around too many people who actually thought homoeopathy was good recently.

I'm still pondering whether I can accept the "if it does no harm" approach. Fact is, sometimes it does do harm. Especially when people start mistrusting evidence based medicine in favour of alternative therapies. And in case they're using homoepathy alongside standard drugs, well, why take the homoeopathic stuff at all? I find it rather unethical selling these globuli, dilutions and whatnot as medicine.
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