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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby Tonyblack » Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:38 pm

pip wrote:Yep. It sounds odd. I know its a bit stupid to think it but i'm wondering were the images painted

Nobody could tell what it was until he'd finished it. :?

I think this one has bothered me the most. As others have said, Rolf was such an icon of my childhood and continued to be so as I have grown older. He was so talented whether painting, singing, writing poetry or presenting TV shows on a variety of subjects.
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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby Jan Van Quirm » Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:46 pm

Bouncy Castle wrote:What gets me is that although the indecent assault charges are from the 80s, the making images charges are from last year.

Could be painted - making implies 'creation', rather than just taking photos :x This one will bother me a lot if the allegations are proved Image - however, things looked pretty bleak for Jim Davidson and he's now been cleared, so it's still down to proof before total condemnation :|
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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby Bouncy Castle » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:07 pm

Can they "do" you if you paint a picture from your imagination?
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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby pip » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:11 pm

Depends on how bad it is I suppose
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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby Jan Van Quirm » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:51 pm

Well that would be art depending on what it presented. :?

Lewis Carroll (Charles Dodgson) was a sought after family photographer of nude or near nude portraits which have led to the popular misconception (probably) that he was a paedophile - in the late 19th and early 20th Century nudity in the new art form were highly sought after society images and were thought of as 'innocent' for both adults and children provided it was artfully posed (not showing people actually doing anything naughty :shifty: ). When Impressionism caught on there were lots of paintings showing 'bathroom' activity with semi-nude models and it was seen as v. fashionable, so when photography became more mainstream amateurs like Dodgson, who were on a social footing with cafe society, were in demand to do high art portraits.

This is partly why the media hysteria in this area is so perilous to lawyers trying to prosecute because what was socially acceptable in past times became regarded as grubby later on. Not saying there's an excuse for abuse but, like in the Davidson prosecution, there's a line where what could seen as improper behaviour might be regarded as acceptable when taken in context. The burden of proof is on the prosecution side, so they have to be sure the evidence is there to take to court in the first place and even then it may not be enough to convict. Innocent until proven guilty has to be seen to be done.
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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby The Mad Collector » Fri Aug 30, 2013 6:23 am

I'm with Jan here, lets not condemn someone before the case, as she says Jim Davidson recently had all the charges against him dropped and nobody here knows the details of the charges or how strong the evidence is against Rolf. As far as the recent images charges it's possible someone is being excessively pruddish about a painting. After all he recently did a series of paintings based on A Midsummer Nights Dream using semi nude adult models as fairies, would adding a cherub now constitute making an indecent image of a child to an overly PC mind?

I've met Rolf several times and he always appears to be a genuinely nice guy so I'm not about to condemn somebody. as other people on this thread seem keen to. before we actually know the facts.
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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby Bouncy Castle » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:07 am

I'm not condemning him, I'm just incredibly sad about the whole thing.
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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby Jan Van Quirm » Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:46 am

Totally get where you're coming from Bouncy - it's awful when someone you have affection for is shown in an unflattering light and there's people fanning the smoke like mad when there might not even be a fire there Image

With Rolf coming from an arty background making judgment calls like this can be complicated. If you look at what venerated Renaissance artists chose for their subject matter, such as Michelangelo's 'Rape of the Sabine Women' that stands proudly in the most celebrated piazza in Florence, subjects which would be highly questionable in a modern context are seen as masterpieces that deal with emotive aspects of humanity. As for cherubs - by their nature, often shown with Venus, Mars or Eros, they're sexualised in classic painting, or even think of mid 20th century photos of bare-bottomed babies on shag-pile rugs... :think: People then didn't give that a second thought about 'cute' or 'sassy' depictions that have since been coloured with less savoury perspectives and, certainly with Davidson, behaviour 'of its time' may look bad in retrospect, but it doesn't have to be dodgy when you broaden the focus and look at the whole picture (of him enthusiastically cuddling a fully-clothed teenaged girl on a TV show with Savile?).

Speculative media reporting in these kinds of cases are borderline reprehensible, simply because the evidence hasn't been proved and, in Davidson's case anyway, mud might stick when there was really nothing wrong at all going on. :snooty:

And then you get Stuart Hall... :evil:
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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby chillicamper » Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:55 pm

Scary, scary, scary - so much for the hope that there may be more tolerance under his regime than under his fathers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... squad.html
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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby Quatermass » Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:51 am

chillicamper wrote:Scary, scary, scary - so much for the hope that there may be more tolerance under his regime than under his fathers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... squad.html


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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby raptornx01 » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:33 pm

It's all the tightening of Politically Correct attitudes. Along with increased sensitivity. Its come to the point where ANY depictions of subjects under 18, regardless of how innocent it may be and regardless of if it is a picture or a painting or drawing, is automatically labeled as sexual, and thus child pornography (all smells of one giant Rorschach test to me, and makes me question the ones making the rules).

Hell, I remember as a kid watching America's Funniest Home Video with Bob Sagat, and they routinely showed home videos showing some kid's bare backside. and no one thought anything of it. Now, such scenes are either not shown at all or censored.

Is it going to come to a point where I'm going to get arrested because I own all of the anime series Dragon Ball Z on dvd which occasionally did have innocent scenes of a child character nude?
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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby Conforumist » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:20 am

Strange sounds in Terrace, B.C., spark stranger theories

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... ounds.html

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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby raptornx01 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:43 am

Sounds almost like some of the weird roars people hear sometimes out in the forest (usually they get attributed to bigfoot. generally because they can't be linked to any known animal). Though this sounds alot more metallic.

Was interesting, someone in the comments linked to another article

http://www.kipnews.org/2012/02/02/stran ... cientists/
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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby raisindot » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:44 pm

chillicamper wrote:Scary, scary, scary - so much for the hope that there may be more tolerance under his regime than under his fathers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... squad.html


Not that I don't believe the NK loonies are capable of anything like this, but this story seems a lot like rumor mongering. I wonder if it would survive a Snopes.
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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby ChristianBecker » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:42 pm

I could swear I posted this a few hours ago, yet it seems to have disappeared:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-0 ... -year.html

Very nice gesture.
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