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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby Jan Van Quirm » Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:42 pm

Glad you came back to talk it through Alanz - :clap: The more people discuss this kind of thing the better we all can understand the true situation beneath the banner headlines and tub thumping :)
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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby Alanz » Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:45 pm

This is one of the best Web sites that i've ever been on, How could i stay away :D
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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby Jan Van Quirm » Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:55 pm

:lol: We're family that's why ;) We can tear chunks off each other and still laugh about it or at least cry into our beer together afterwards.... :orcs-cheers:
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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby Alanz » Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:59 pm

I'll drink to that :orcs-cheers:
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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby cheery_j. » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:10 pm

group hug!
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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby Conforumist » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:58 pm

Alanz wrote:This is one of the best Web sites that i've ever been on, How could i stay away :D


Yes, well, it does have me, doesn't it! :D

Thanks for coming back Alanz. Good on you for taking a bit of time to get some perspective.
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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby Penfold » Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:00 am

I'm also glad you came back Alanz. :D

I normally steer clear of the political stuff but I do believe that if the governments (from both sides of the political spectrum) put the same amount of effort into tightening the tax laws and loopholes in them then the savings would far outweigh the deficiencies caused by the benefits cheats. It would also probably create enough of a surplus to reduce taxes at all levels to better encourage business and investment. :)

(That's my ha'pence worth and I'm now going to run away from this topic! :lol: )
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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby chris.ph » Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:54 am

i got banned from the ileostomy forum for calling them a bunch of scrounging barstewards, they were on benefit because they have a peristomal hernia--- so do i, they were on benefits because they had arthritis brought on by the ileostomy---- so do i, they were on benefits because of the ileostomy blocking and the pain meds------ pfffffffttttttt. i went nuts lazy gits, i work in construction and even as a manager i still get my hands stinking everyday because i would go loopy just doing my paperwork allday,when i went for my last check up the doctor even told me that i would be ok to go back to work in a month or two i had to tell him i had already gone back :whistle: :whistle: these are the type of malingering gits that wind me up, there is no reason they cant work answering phones in a call centre or something similar, people with a genuine claim ive absolutely no problem with them having what they are more than entitled to, its all the other scrounging barstewards that wind me right up :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby Dotsie » Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:45 am

All the builders I know are hard men ;) (translation for JIB - tough guys :P )

I love having flexible working hours, when I had reactive arthritis I could just ease into my day then start work, if I had a set time to start I would have been off every day for months. Some employers don't know when they're shooting themselves in the foot because they won't bend their rules :roll:
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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby Batty » Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:39 pm

chris.ph wrote:... :whistle: these are the type of malingering gits that wind me up, there is no reason they cant work answering phones in a call centre or something similar, people with a genuine claim ive absolutely no problem with them having what they are more than entitled to, its all the other scrounging barstewards that wind me right up :evil: :evil: :evil:

While there are some people who milk the system and have no intention of working, the majority of disabled claimants are genuinely disabled, to varying degrees.
Someone may be able to sit in a chair for 30 minutes (which is what the Government say is the requirement to qualify for work), but how many employers do you know who will employ someone for 30 minute spells?
Someone may also be capable of answering phones in a call centre, but are they able to travel to the call centre???

The public are being whipped up by the media and politicians into hating disabled people. I was under the impression that hate crimes are illegal, but apparently not ... :whistle:
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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby wicked woman » Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:48 pm

Sitting at a desk all day would be very painful for pepole with back problems too. I can work because I'm self employed and can pace myself and change tasks when I feel myself stiffening up.
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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby chris.ph » Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:10 pm

Batty wrote:
chris.ph wrote:... :whistle: these are the type of malingering gits that wind me up, there is no reason they cant work answering phones in a call centre or something similar, people with a genuine claim ive absolutely no problem with them having what they are more than entitled to, its all the other scrounging barstewards that wind me right up :evil: :evil: :evil:

While there are some people who milk the system and have no intention of working, the majority of disabled claimants are genuinely disabled, to varying degrees.
Someone may be able to sit in a chair for 30 minutes (which is what the Government say is the requirement to qualify for work), but how many employers do you know who will employ someone for 30 minute spells?
Someone may also be capable of answering phones in a call centre, but are they able to travel to the call centre???

The public are being whipped up by the media and politicians into hating disabled people. I was under the impression that hate crimes are illegal, but apparently not ... :whistle:


ive just had a proctectomy and i went to work, there are jobs for these people they are just to lazy and want a free ride, you have also cut off in the quote saying that i have each of the complaints and i manage to go to work, if you cant sit down find something else if you cant stand all day find something else, if it takes 2 yrs to find that something else all well and good but go and find something. a friend of mine is paralysed from the chest down works because he wants to
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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby raisindot » Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:39 pm

For the American perspective....

It's a lot harder for both the genuinely work-disabled and those trying to 'game the system' to get away with it here. For one thing, there really isn't a long-term government-subsidized disability system. Social security (our system where you pay a percentage of your paycheck and receive a certain amount when you retire) is available for disability, but the younger you start it the far lower your payments will be--certainly not enough to live on, especially if you were not in a high-paying job. Heck, it's not even enough if you retire at 70, either.

Certain companies do have long-term disability insurance, but you have to pay the premiums out of your paycheck and you generally don't get much more than 50%-60% of what you were earning before you went on it. I also don't know how it affects health coverage. They may force you to pay the full value of your insurance premium, which is often $1,000-$2,000 a month or more for a family. I also don't know how long long-term disability lasts, either.

If you get laid off (not fired), you can collect unemployment, but the time varies by state. Federal unemployment might last 6 months to a year, depending on when you get laid off. Additional state coverage may be more or less. The amount you get is very limited--not even close to what you got when you were working.

And retirement benefits totally vary by employer. If you work for the federal government or most state governments, you generally building up a traditional pension, which takes the place of social security benefits. If you work for private industry, you're more likely to participate in a 401(k) plan program, where you contribute part of your salary and invest in and (if you work a good company) your employer throws in a certain amount in matching contributions. However, the value of account is dependent on the market--there are no guaranteed benefits at all. And, many companies don't offer these plans.

Worst case scenario for any American is to work for a company that doesn't offer a health plan or long-term disability or retirement plan--and there are tens of thousands of companies that fit this description with millions of Americans working for them. With unemployment here at the highest level since the Great Depression, the cost of government-subsidized health care for the poor (Medicaid) and supplemental programs, such as food stamps, are significant contributors to our deficit, and the one thing all the fatcats and Tea Party types you hear about blame on President Obama. Yet, none of these complainers rails out against the billions of dollars in corporate welfare handed out to oil companies and big agricultural concerns who end up not paying taxes and ship jobs overseas anyways.

Call me a socialist, but I truly believe that the best form of society are the social democracies of Scandinavia. Yes, you pay a huge amount of your paycheck in taxes, and there are fewer billionaires there. Yet, somehow, their companies manage to make very good profits and don't vacate to Luxembourg or other tax-dodge havens. And everyone gets quality healthcare and a safety net to protect them. And, surprisingly enough, in spite of this socialism, they all have political freedom and the freedom of expression. How can this possibly be? :o
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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby Batty » Mon Apr 01, 2013 3:27 pm

chris.ph wrote:
Batty wrote:
chris.ph wrote:... :whistle: these are the type of malingering gits that wind me up, there is no reason they cant work answering phones in a call centre or something similar, people with a genuine claim ive absolutely no problem with them having what they are more than entitled to, its all the other scrounging barstewards that wind me right up :evil: :evil: :evil:

While there are some people who milk the system and have no intention of working, the majority of disabled claimants are genuinely disabled, to varying degrees.
Someone may be able to sit in a chair for 30 minutes (which is what the Government say is the requirement to qualify for work), but how many employers do you know who will employ someone for 30 minute spells?
Someone may also be capable of answering phones in a call centre, but are they able to travel to the call centre???

The public are being whipped up by the media and politicians into hating disabled people. I was under the impression that hate crimes are illegal, but apparently not ... :whistle:


ive just had a proctectomy and i went to work, there are jobs for these people they are just to lazy and want a free ride, you have also cut off in the quote saying that i have each of the complaints and i manage to go to work, if you cant sit down find something else if you cant stand all day find something else, if it takes 2 yrs to find that something else all well and good but go and find something. a friend of mine is paralysed from the chest down works because he wants to

I 'cut your quote' to minimise the post, not for any other reason, and the fact that you are bloody-minded or stubborn enough to continue work, is 'bully for you'!
I know a woman who found giving birth naturally - without any painkillers what-so-ever- so easy, that she refers all other women as 'wimps', and insists that all drugs should be withdrawn from women and they should just 'get on with it'.
My point is, what works for you, doesn't necessarily work for someone else.
When I was going through chemo, I carried on going to work, and gradually reduced my time there, until in the end I was only working mornings, and them half a day a week, until I admitted defeat and went off work on long-term sick 4.5 months after the chemo started.
Other people go sick on day 1 of the chemo. Each to their own. As I said, being able to sit in a chair for 30 minutes, doesn't mean that you are physically able to travel to work.
I can't be arsed to post again on this subject though. I feel increasingly depressed with people insulting and abusing anyone who is disabled - purely because they themselves can cope!
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Re: Headlines That Left You Speechless 2

Postby cheery_j. » Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:31 pm

I had really hoped that we had finished with this, but no! Somebody else feels the need to generalize and insult.

Yes, you're a very tough guy, Chris. Well done!
Did you actually bother to read the posts of those people here who told about their own situation and the reasons why they can't/or couldn't work? Would you call Tony or Jan or Batty scroungers to their faces in real life? Because that's exactly what you're doing here.

Can we now please stop picking on people who for some reason or other need the aid of the community? What is so wrong with helping those who are weaker than you are? Do we really live in a world where it is considered morally wrong to help others and be helped when you need it? I'd rather let someone get away with cheating than risking snatching away medical aid from a pensioner.

And let's not forget one thing: many of the people who now receive benefits paid into the system when they were working. Would you insult them if they had paid the money into a bank account instead and were now withdrawing some of the money?
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