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Re: Frustration Thread 4

Postby Penfold » Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:52 pm

I've been on the opposite side of the coin, Q, with being turned down for having too much experience or being 'overqualified' when applying to work in other casinos so I know just how frustrating it is. I'm desperate to get away from my current job (for reasons I cannot go into here but will once I resign) and I'm at the point that signing on and claiming unemployment benefit is starting to look attractive. Hopefully something will turn up for the both of us soon.
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Re: Frustration Thread 4

Postby pip » Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:56 pm

Hope it works out Penners. Missus Pip gave up an office job because the stress wasn't worth whatever they paid her. Nothing worse than being stuck in a job you've come to hate.
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Re: Frustration Thread 4

Postby Bouncy Castle » Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:58 pm

Penfold wrote:I've been on the opposite side of the coin, Q, with being turned down for having too much experience or being 'overqualified' when applying to work in other casinos so I know just how frustrating it is. I'm desperate to get away from my current job (for reasons I cannot go into here but will once I resign) and I'm at the point that signing on and claiming unemployment benefit is starting to look attractive. Hopefully something will turn up for the both of us soon.



Penners. Don't forget that if you resign, you can sign on, and have to keep on doing so every fortnight, but won't get benefits for several months, because you intentionally made yourself unemployed.
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Re: Frustration Thread 4

Postby Penfold » Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:00 pm

I know, I think it's six week's for Jobseekers Allowance. That's the only benefit I'll be able to qualify for why I still keep on working. However, If the exhibition works out well, I will be able to consider my options then. :think:
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Re: Frustration Thread 4

Postby pip » Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:01 pm

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Penfold wrote:I've been on the opposite side of the coin, Q, with being turned down for having too much experience or being 'overqualified' when applying to work in other casinos so I know just how frustrating it is. I'm desperate to get away from my current job (for reasons I cannot go into here but will once I resign) and I'm at the point that signing on and claiming unemployment benefit is starting to look attractive. Hopefully something will turn up for the both of us soon.



Penners. Don't forget that if you resign, you can sign on, and have to keep on doing so every fortnight, but won't get benefits for several months, because you intentionally made yourself unemployed.

So better to flip out and get fired then :D
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Re: Frustration Thread 4

Postby raisindot » Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:37 pm

Quatermass wrote:I am so over this. I am so sick and [EFF!]ing tired of not being able to find work. It's not enough that jobs I can work in are few and far between. No, it's the fact that I need these jobs more than any other berk that they get an application from, and yet, I am not chosen! I NEED WORK!

Plus, I applied for a job readvertised that I managed to get an interview for earlier in the year, and I wasn't even given an interview this time around. What the [EFF!]? I don't care anymore about any other applicants, or what the employers think. I DESERVE THESE POSITIONS MORE! I DESERVE THESE POSITIONS MORE! I DESERVE THESE POSITIONS MORE!

I have two degrees, and that should be more than enough to guarantee that I can get work! But noooooo, these idiots who run places I want to work at want more experience. How can I get more experience if I'm never given the opportunity!?

I'm expected to be a productive member of society, and yet, I am not given the opportunity. [EFF!] you society! [EFF!] you sideways up the fundament with a punji stick covered in unspeakable filth! And I hope you die of septicaemia, society! You've done nothing for me, even though I am expected to do something for you! [EFF!] you!

In short, I hate my life and everything in it.


Q, I sympathize with your situation and realize that you are venting here, but if .05% of the attitude you've expressed in your post shows up in your job interviews then that is probably why you were not given a second interview.

In this world of shrinking opportunities, no one is entitled to ANYTHING. Applying for jobs through online or other means has become nearly completely ineffective. Except for engineering and computer related jobs or those requiring specific skills (like scientists, physicians and accountants), most job-winners these days don't win it on experience alone--they win it by the kind of impression they make--first on the HR person, and then on the hiring manager.

Today, at least here in the states, most jobs are won through networking. Managers bring in their former coworkers. Coworkers recommend their friends for job openings. And the most important thing any job-seeker can do today is NETWORK. You need to build a network of people who know who you are, what you can do, and are willing to pass your name on to others. The best way to do this is through informational interview. You need to ask others (friends, family, Dr. Who Fans, whoever) if they know people in your industry and if these people are willing to talk to you on an informal, no-obligation basis. Your role, once you get these meetings, is to ask that person about the industry, talk about your qualifications and interests (leaving your ego and entitlement mentality at the door), and then, if you feel it's going well, ask that person if he/she is willing to introduce you to other people who are in the same industry. Your goal here is to establish a network of people who upon hearing of an opportunity in your field, might remember you and recommend you for the job.

As others have said, to gain that experience you should consider donating your time to organizations that could use your skills. By doing some you'll not only gain experience but you'll also (if you do the job well) gain recommendations. And you'll get to meet people in the organizations who may have connections to people who may be able to recommend you for future opportunities (or at least allow you to network with these people).

You've said in the past that you have Asperger's Syndrome. I don't know if there are career services catering to those with Asperger's but you may want to check them out if you haven't done so already.

Networking is not easy, particularly for people who are not good as social interactions. But it's something you absolutely have to do today, particularly if the traditional plug and play methods don't work.
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Re: Frustration Thread 4

Postby Bouncy Castle » Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:07 pm

pip wrote:
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Penfold wrote:I've been on the opposite side of the coin, Q, with being turned down for having too much experience or being 'overqualified' when applying to work in other casinos so I know just how frustrating it is. I'm desperate to get away from my current job (for reasons I cannot go into here but will once I resign) and I'm at the point that signing on and claiming unemployment benefit is starting to look attractive. Hopefully something will turn up for the both of us soon.



Penners. Don't forget that if you resign, you can sign on, and have to keep on doing so every fortnight, but won't get benefits for several months, because you intentionally made yourself unemployed.

So better to flip out and get fired then :D


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Same rules apply if you get fired - you have to sign on every 2 weeks, but you don't get benefits for quite some time.
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Re: Frustration Thread 4

Postby pip » Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:29 pm

Very good advice Q. In my field everyone knows of everyone else so an unknown applying for a job is fighting an uphill battle straight away. I got my first job because my Thesis supervisor knew the boss. I got my second job (the interview anyway) because they knew several people i'd done projects for and were able to ask them. They knew some of my background without looking at my CV.
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Re: Frustration Thread 4

Postby Dotsie » Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:39 pm

You have my sympathies Q, but it's true that qualifications are just the start - most likely the other applicants have the same qualifications, so you need an edge. If you can't network (is not always easy), make your application stand out in other ways. For my last job application, I didn't have experience in the role but I had other experience that I could use to show how I could do the job. I also signed up for an online course that related to an aspect of the role so I could show commitment to my training. I know that the other applicants had more experience than me (they told me so whilst we were waiting to go in for interview, also make sure that you don't give the other applicants information that could help them), but I got the job because I was better prepared.

Is there anyone impartial who could look over your application for you, or help you with interview techniques?
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Re: Frustration Thread 4

Postby Who's Wee Dug » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:22 pm

Bouncy Castle"][pip"]
Bouncy Castle wrote:
Penfold wrote:I've been on the opposite side of the coin, Q, with being turned down for having too much experience or being 'overqualified' when applying to work in other casinos so I know just how frustrating it is. I'm desperate to get away from my current job (for reasons I cannot go into here but will once I resign) and I'm at the point that signing on and claiming unemployment benefit is starting to look attractive. Hopefully something will turn up for the both of us soon.

Penners. Don't forget that if you resign, you can sign on, and have to keep on doing so every fortnight, but won't get benefits for several months, because you intentionally made yourself unemployed.

So better to flip out and get fired then



Same rules apply if you get fired - you have to sign on every 2 weeks, but you don't get benefits for quite some time.[/quote]
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Re: Frustration Thread 4

Postby ChristianBecker » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:34 pm

Sorry to hear about your troubles getting a job, Q.
I've been baffled myself at times by the requirements of experience. Ideally, you should be around 24 when you apply, have finished studies or whatever with excellent marks and have years of experience in the field. However this might be achieved, because somehow being young and having years of experience seem to be a bit contradictory.

I hope you can find a job soon. A real job I mean; the sort that you need your degrees for.
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Re: Frustration Thread 4

Postby Quatermass » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:35 pm

Thanks, everyone, for your support. I was just having a very bad day yesterday. Sleep helped what venting my spleen didn't. I still feel s**tty, but controllably so.

And no, raisindot, I try my best not to express such sentiments during an interview. I'm not an idiot. I know that saying such stuff during an interview would be equivalent to stripping naked and gibbering like an ape at the interviewers. :roll:

There are services that I am taking advantage of, and said services are helping me find work experience (I actually had some earlier in the year). Unfortunately, employers are mostly unwilling to allow anyone in for work experience of late, even if they do have an agency willing to cover insurance and that sort of thing. Many big franchises actually have policies (?!) against taking on people for work experience, and small businesses may not, albeit more understandably, have the capacity. Believe me, I know this from long, hard experience, and this was one of the many things that caused me to have my conniption yesterday. It's disheartening when these services can't help me get my foot in the door, because of the recalcitrance of potential employers to taking on people for work experience.

Not only that, but when positions do come up that don't require experience, they want juniors. Not someone who needs the job and is willing, but vapid, acephalic, irresponsible teenagers who come from a generation that, for the most part, may not actually be capable of spelling 'generation' without Spellcheck. Or the word 'Spellcheck', for that matter. :roll:

In short, FML. :lol:
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Re: Frustration Thread 4

Postby Sister Jennifer » Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:05 am

Sorry you're having a crap time with your career, Q.

I'll sing you a couple of verses of a song that always brightens my day, join in if you like.

You can bugger the bear, if you do it with care,
in the winter, when he is asleep in his lair,
Though I would not advise it in spring or in fall--
but the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.

If you're feeling quite coarse, you can bugger the horse,
or the palfrey, the jennet, the stallion (with force),
You can bugger the donkey, the mare, or the mule,
Though to bugger the pony is needlessly cruel.


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Re: Frustration Thread 4

Postby Quatermass » Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:42 am

One question, SisterJennifer: What career? I'd have to actually have one to have a crap time with it. I'm having trouble finding one to have a crap time with. That's the problem. :roll:

And no. Sod the Hedgehog Song.

This is much better at raising my spirits. :P



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Re: Frustration Thread 4

Postby Sister Jennifer » Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:15 am

Fair do's. I wasn't up to date on the specifics.

Sod the Hedgehog song? You can always try ;) .

I couldn't sing all the words to Gallifreyan Buccaneer quick enough. Christ, those Cybermen are a bit skinny at 0:24 mark. What's the one at the 0:33 mark? Medusa-head alien, looks fantastic.

Nice Dr Who clips & photos.
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