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Re: File this under "Headlines that left you speechless"

Postby Jan Van Quirm » Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:52 pm

ChristianBecker wrote:What's the problem? That he posted a porno or that even though it was consensual he was punished for it? Probably both.
But while what he did is just normal stupidity the police action is real, bureaucratic stupidity at its best.

The 'problem' CB is that they're both under the age of legal consent and therefore in law their having sex is regarded as statutory rape whether or not they both agreed to it. That's before you get onto the subject of personal privacy on the internet... :evil:

If either of them had been over 16 years old then the police would have been taking far more than a 'bureaucratic' interest - adults get jailed for rape and put on sex offenders lists for having sex with minors. Because this little 'scamp' is also underage they technically raped each other and so no legal action will be taken, but there's a strong possibility that the dear little lad and his girlfriend could be looking at some awkward times if there are other official civil investigations as their families could be called to account and they could be taken into care. Probably not - morally it's not uncommon of course, but the law is there to protect children and not all 14 year olds are quite as keen to grow up and get this sleazy as to how they treat people. :roll:

:oops: Sorry to get preachy on this but I used to work in the courts dealing with children who'd been abused in all kinds of ways, some of them far younger than 14, and this isn't a laughing matter. Although sex is a natural thing to explore during puberty, the law is there to protect those who may have no means of defending themselves, often from people who should be the ones protecting children from disgusting predators :angry-jumpinganger:
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Re: File this under "Headlines that left you speechless"

Postby MongoGutman » Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:58 pm

I fail to see your point Christian.

Having received a report of sexually innappropriate behaviour involving children the police investigated. There may have been coercion inolved, or paedophile grooming going on or money changing hands or whatever - until they look into to it they don't know. What would you have them do, ignore such a report and hope a child doesn't end up raped or killed or both? Cross their fingers perhaps?

Having investigated and found the incident if not completely innocent then at least relatively harmless they gave the boy a slap on the wrist and told him not to do it again, which seems an appropriate response. Would you rather they had charged the kids? Banged them up? Given them a carton of condoms and some advice about cinematography?

So what then? How is it police stupidity or bureaucracy? Being an agent of chaos I'm no great fan of the Blue Meanies but in this case they seem to have done the job they're paid for.
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Re: File this under "Headlines that left you speechless"

Postby ChristianBecker » Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:22 am

I think I must have misunderstood Bouncy's news, whereupon I said something that was ill received on your sides.
What I thought Bouncy wrote was that 2 teenagers had sex (good for them), they filmed it (well, ok), they put it on the internet (stupid) and police actually charged them/ one of them with child pornography, rape or something similar (what I called bureaucratic stupidity) and they ended up on the sex offenders list. This seemed to be the case in the context of "Headlines that left you speechless".
Of course police/ authorities should take an interest if such a video can actually be tracked down to persons whether it was indeed some stupid teenager's joke or whatever went through his head (pride?) when he posted it or something bad.

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Re: File this under "Headlines that left you speechless"

Postby Dotsie » Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:23 am

I wasn't offended ;)
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Re: File this under "Headlines that left you speechless"

Postby Conforumist » Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:55 am

Bouncy Castle wrote:Women Hate Me Because I'm So Beautiful.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... tiful.html

No you are not, lady. Get over yourself.


And now the backlash, and she says it is because we are all jealous.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... right.html


Deluded, or extremely clever marketing ploy?


Can you say "counseling" boys and girls?
It's ok to feel good about yourself, but I think her situation needs some help.
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Re: File this under "Headlines that left you speechless"

Postby Jan Van Quirm » Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:21 pm

ChristianBecker wrote:I think I must have misunderstood Bouncy's news, whereupon I said something that was ill received on your sides.
What I thought Bouncy wrote was that 2 teenagers had sex (good for them), they filmed it (well, ok), they put it on the internet (stupid) and police actually charged them/ one of them with child pornography, rape or something similar (what I called bureaucratic stupidity) and they ended up on the sex offenders list. This seemed to be the case in the context of "Headlines that left you speechless".
Of course police/ authorities should take an interest if such a video can actually be tracked down to persons whether it was indeed some stupid teenager's joke or whatever went through his head (pride?) when he posted it or something bad.

I didn't want to offend anyone. Sorry if I did.

Appreciate the apology CB :) I didn't seriously think you were making light of it as such, since the only reason this is getting air time is because it was plastered on the web. Teens will be teens and there's no real harm unless one of them was forced into it, but it touched one of my 'zap' buttons because of my own experience of the dark side of underage sexuality and how it can be exploited by unscrupulous and dangerous people.

It truly is a sick and corrupt world out there and it's not helped by a generation of little idiots growing up thinking it's funny or clever to go and potentially ruin if not their own then someone else's reputation, if not their future by being so disrespectful and arrogant over something that should be kept intimate and essentially private.
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Re: File this under "Headlines that left you speechless"

Postby chris.ph » Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:25 pm

this little git was in the paper today as he tweeted a picture of himself holding up the local paper with him as the headline piece quite proudly as if its a badge of honour :evil:
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Re: File this under "Headlines that left you speechless"

Postby Jan Van Quirm » Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:32 pm

:roll: His mother must be sooooo proud :angry-devil:
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Re: File this under "Headlines that left you speechless"

Postby raptornx01 » Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:40 pm

chris.ph wrote:this little git was in the paper today as he tweeted a picture of himself holding up the local paper with him as the headline piece quite proudly as if its a badge of honour :evil:


Lol I'm picturing it more as a "See i told you" to his friends who didn't believe he got any.

He's lucky he wasn't here. here in cases like this where two underaged (under 16 anyway) kids had sex the boy would always receive jail time (consensual or not). then again this is a very prudish country.

one has to ask though, why youtube? its not like they aren't always taking stuff down for being to risque.

Given them a carton of condoms and some advice about cinematography?


Lol, sounds like my mom. "Just use protection, that's all i ask"
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Re: File this under "Headlines that left you speechless"

Postby ChristianBecker » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:41 am

raptornx01 wrote:Lol, sounds like my mom. "Just use protection, that's all i ask"

So I gather you're not originally from prudish southern Florida but moved there from a more liberal part of the world?
Nevertheless, nice piece of the planet (at least the parts of Florida I've seen).
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Re: File this under "Headlines that left you speechless"

Postby MongoGutman » Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:29 am

Just to clear up a minor point: it's claimed the act of beastlyness the kids commited was consensual. This is not the case, whether or not the girl agreed to engage in the horridness. Being under the age of consent she is therefore incapable of giving her legal consent. Sex without consent is, of course, rape.
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Re: File this under "Headlines that left you speechless"

Postby Jan Van Quirm » Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:45 pm

It's what's known as statutory rape - usually in cases where both participants are under age and there's no inherent violence involved it's not taken to court although the local authorities may well get involved, especially is either child or anyone in their family feature in any 'at risk' records with social services :roll:

My husband works with a 17 year old who entertained a young lady aged 15 who was not new to such activity shall we say... he was arrested (actually led away from work in handcuffs) and questioned after her dad raised merry hell when he found out, but once it looked like it might go to court all of a sudden the girl 'fessed up that she'd not been forced into anything and it was quietly dropped.

This happens all the time of course, but the law has to stand because there are much more murkier circumstances where the child is at real risk of more than sore bits and unwanted souvenirs :evil:
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Re: File this under "Headlines that left you speechless"

Postby ChristianBecker » Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:07 pm

MongoGutman wrote:Just to clear up a minor point: it's claimed the act of beastlyness the kids commited was consensual. This is not the case, whether or not the girl agreed to engage in the horridness. Being under the age of consent she is therefore incapable of giving her legal consent. Sex without consent is, of course, rape.

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Re: File this under "Headlines that left you speechless"

Postby MongoGutman » Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:24 pm

ChristianBecker wrote:
MongoGutman wrote:Just to clear up a minor point: it's claimed the act of beastlyness the kids commited was consensual. This is not the case, whether or not the girl agreed to engage in the horridness. Being under the age of consent she is therefore incapable of giving her legal consent. Sex without consent is, of course, rape.

Are you serious?


Well, I used the terms "beastlyness" and "horridness" in an attempt to lighten the tone, but otherwise yeah: that's what the age of consent means. Someone under the age of consent cannot give their legal consent, whatever they might say or do, even if they trip you up and beat you to the deck.

It's formulated mainly to protect the young from predatory elders and in truth if the age gap between the participants is not too great most authorities will let it slide. But they don't have to: legally it's rape.
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Re: File this under "Headlines that left you speechless"

Postby Jan Van Quirm » Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:38 pm

:lol: It's a Brit thang CB - this should explain things a little more lucidly :P

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