So evolutionary 1st human humans calculated from the last Ice Age (in fairness as nobody really knows when they 1st appeared) so, 20,000 years ago v. OT's first couple of humans 6,000 years ago. Evolutionary people would not have been writing at that stage of development would they? But they and their kids would have been able to tell stories of the early times and so have at least another 8,000 years or so to start embellishing orally during the Old and New Stone Ages, when they got around to learning how to make fired clay pots and start making little marks on wet clay, which gradually became symbols of language?
The Assyrians and other fertile crescent cultures could most definitely write around the 6,000 (and counting) year mark, so maybe that's where the OT dating stems from, but Assyrians, though semitic were not Hebrews so I suspect they don't really count as 'proper' god-fearing people.
History and science are not the same. Are they? No they're not. History is also not fact - necessarily. It is written by the winners, conquerors and usurpers. The Israelites were slaves in Egypt so they say. The Egyptians say they were cattle raiders and a bloody nuisance. Recent thought amongst Egyptologists also question whether slaves built the pyramids...
The Flood - Santorini? Would have caused a massive tsunami of mythic propertions all around the eastern Med. Lots of things that could been worthy of being a god-sent flood to punish naughtiness. In some translations of Gilgamesh the King there was a flood and a Noah-type character whom Gilgamesh sought out because he wanted to know the secret of immortality... All stories and not necessarily ones recorded at some stage by Hebrews, who in turn weren't necessarily that culturally advanced, just very acquisitive at getting all the heroes and prophets on their 'side'.
fljotsdale wrote:Mm, yes... but the toxic clouds on earth would've been before the creation, don't you think? In fact the timeline in Genesis would indicate that to be so (as well as the known age of the earth, of course). So the "swaddling' clouds would have been simple water vapour, as indicated by the phrase 'waters over the earth'.
When does creation begin? Day 1 when theb Lord began creating firmaments or Day 7 when he'd done the lot and rested? Where does making Adam & Eve come in that lot? At the end (or Day 6) where evolution also places the human race... Also how long are these days?
Like I was saying it's what people make of the their world view at the time. Socially the human race hasn't really changed too much - we all eat sleep and begat, argue amongst ourselves and have to work for a living in some manner - the technology is different and so is the accumulation of knowledge, but we still use chairs to sit on and lie down to sleep. And tell stories, some of them to illustrate a point. The OT creation, if you leave the time scale out of it, is roughly equivalent to the order of evolution - it puts insects before fish, before amphibians, before reptiles, before birds, before mammals, before us. And yes evolution says mammals were around at the same time as dinosaurs and the Bible doesn't mention the T Rex etc, but 50-30 years ago we didn't know that dinosaurs came before birds and after reptiles did we? Steven Speilberg taught us that!
In the end it's all stories that fit the knowledge until the knowledge changes. And the best stories stick - which, for people who accept the teachings of the OT means that the Creator had a brilliant SoH and left all these fossils lying around to annoy scientists - who said that?